Re: Unable to boot -CURRENT on Thinkpad P16s G2

2024-03-07 Thread Doug Ambrisko
ent it to see what. Thanks, Doug A.

Re: 15 & 14: ram_attach vs. its using regions_to_avail vs. "bus_alloc_resource" can lead to: panic("ram_attach: resource %d failed to attach", rid)

2024-01-12 Thread Doug Rabson
to identify a > problem is present, despite EDK2 use not being normal for > RPi4B's and the like as far as FreeBSD is concerned. > I'm not quite clear why phys_avail changes and why that is triggered by the 906bcc44641d commit. I'm wondering if it makes sense to arrange for ram_attach to happen before acpi, e.g. using BUS_PASS_ORDER_FIRST? Doug.

Re: mount_nullfs: /var/run/log: must be either a file or directory

2023-11-11 Thread Doug Rabson
t think it's a problem to mount sockets or fifos into a jail but one of the points made in your diff that allowing jails to connect to the host syslogd is a potential risk is a good one. Doug.

Re: kldunload kernel: How should the kernel behave when it is requested to unload itself

2023-11-09 Thread Doug Rabson
I think your intuition is correct - it never makes sense to unload the kernel (IMO). I approved the review. Doug. On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 at 16:10, Zhenlei Huang wrote: > Hi, > > This is *NOT* joking. > > While working on https://reviews.freebsd.org/D42527 I realized the > modu

Re: MegaCLI port is ports-only -- how would you deploy it?

2022-08-16 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 03:33:57PM -0400, Dan Mahoney wrote: | > On Aug 16, 2022, at 14:04, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > | > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:58:40AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: | > |On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:40 AM Ed Maste <[1]ema...@freebsd.org> | > |wrote:

Re: MegaCLI port is ports-only -- how would you deploy it?

2022-08-16 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:58:40AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: |On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:40 AM Ed Maste <[1]ema...@freebsd.org> |wrote: | | On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 at 20:03, Doug Ambrisko | <[2]ambri...@ambrisko.com> wrote: | > | > | > I'd have to

Re: MegaCLI port is ports-only -- how would you deploy it?

2022-08-15 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 10:41:33PM -0400, Dan Mahoney wrote: | | | > On Aug 12, 2022, at 12:35, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > | > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:32:56PM -0400, Dan Mahoney wrote: | > | | > | | > | > On Aug 12, 2022, at 12:31, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > | > |

Re: SAS/SATA controllers: 8 port that support 8TB Drives

2022-07-15 Thread Doug Ambrisko
re, I can | >>> speculate that they may share some issues. | >> | >> I've just noticed "932G" instead of "8000G". It is obviously a bigger | >> problem than what we heard for HBAs. It looks like a kind of problems | >> that should not happen to HBAs, since they should not care about disk | >> capacity. | >> | > | > What does `smartctl -a ` report (especially sector sizes)? | > | > -m | > | > | >> -- | >> Alexander Motin | >> | It's not even making a mfid* node (it is a 4Kn disk) FYI, mfi never got support for 4Kn drives and is hard coded to 512. mrsas does have support so that is better to use for 4Kn and newer controllers. My day job isn't in that area anymore. I looked a bit as what it would take to support 4Kn in mfi and that required a bunch of things and structures to figure it out. Doug A.

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-22 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 09:04:39AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: | Quoting Doug Ambrisko (from Thu, 21 Apr 2022 | 09:38:35 -0700): | | > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 03:44:02PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: | > | Quoting Mateusz Guzik (from Thu, 21 Apr 2022 | > | 14:50

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-21 Thread Doug Ambrisko
adjust_restarts Since the code on restart will increment the prune amount by vfs.zfs.arc.meta_prune and submit that amount to the vnode reclaim code. So then it will end up reclaiming a lot of vnodes. The defaults of 1 * 4096 and submitting it each loop can most of the cache to be freed. With relative small values of them, then the cache didn't shrink to much. Doug A.

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-21 Thread Doug Ambrisko
bhyve and a md drive to avoid wearing out my SSD and it's faster to test. I have found the git, tar, make world etc. could trigger the issue before but haven't had any issues with nocache and capping vnodes. Thanks, Doug A. diff --git a/sbin/mount/mount.c b/sbin/mount/mount.c index

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-20 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 11:39:44AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: | Quoting Doug Ambrisko (from Mon, 18 Apr 2022 | 16:32:38 -0700): | | > With nullfs, nocache and settings max vnodes to a low number I can | | Where is nocache documented? I don't see it in mount_nullfs(8), | mou

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-20 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 11:43:10AM +0200, Mateusz Guzik wrote: | On 4/19/22, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 11:47:22AM +0200, Mateusz Guzik wrote: | > | Try this: https://people.freebsd.org/~mjg/vnlru_free_pick.diff | > | | > | this is not committable but should vali

Re: nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-19 Thread Doug Ambrisko
ssive. Going from ~15,000 to ~200 vnode for nullfs and the same for ZFS. The ARC drops from 70M to 7M (max is set at 64M) for this unit test. Thanks, Doug A. | On 4/19/22, Mateusz Guzik wrote: | > On 4/19/22, Mateusz Guzik wrote: | >> On 4/19/22, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | >>> I&#

nullfs and ZFS issues

2022-04-18 Thread Doug Ambrisko
nullfs mount my homedir into them so pretty much everything goes through nullfs to ZFS. I'm limping along with the nullfs nocache and small number of vnodes but it would be nice to not need that. Thanks, Doug A.

A proposal to redefine RB trees

2020-07-10 Thread Doug Moore
which there is a small performance cost. The original paper at http://sidsen.azurewebsites.net/papers/rb-trees-talg.pdf provides more analysis of the relative benefits of weak-avl trees. Are there any objections? Doug Moore (do...@freebsd.org) ___ freeb

Re: frequent panics from current built today

2019-06-26 Thread Doug Moore
This problem is almost certainly my fault, due to r349393.  Once I learned of the problem and verified that I was responsible, I reverted that change with r349405. I apologize for the multiple inconveniences I have caused. Doug Moore > - Forwarded message from Pete Wright - >

Re: panic: mutex pmap not owned at ... efirt_machdep.c:255

2018-08-07 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 01:42:07AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: | On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 02:49:10PM -0700, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 08:29:49PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote: | > | On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 11:50:44AM -0500, Kyle Evans wrote: | > | > O

Re: panic: mutex pmap not owned at ... efirt_machdep.c:255

2018-08-07 Thread Doug Ambrisko
CPU_GET(curpmap); td = curthread; fpu_kern_leave(td, NULL); mtx_unlock(&efi_lock); Don't know if it is right. Some previous code used both curpmap = PCPU_GET(curpmap); and curpmap = &td->td_proc->p_vmspace->vm_pmap; recently it was

Re: HWPMC on SkyLake

2016-06-14 Thread Doug Rabson
Did you get any feedback on this? I would like to be able to use hwpmc but my desktop is a recent skylake and I also get the 'hwpc_core: unknown PMC architecture: 4' error. CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (4008.14-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="GenuineIntel" Id=0x506e3 Family=0x6 Mod

plockstat

2016-05-09 Thread Doug Rabson
Is plockstat supposed to work on FreeBSD? I'm running FreeBSD-current and when I try it, I get: plockstat: failed to compile program: probe description plockstat65047:::rw-block does not match any probes Any ideas what to try next? ___ freebsd-current@f

Re: ZFSROOT UEFI boot

2016-01-28 Thread Doug Rabson
On 28 January 2016 at 15:03, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > It's exactly the NO GOOD point. The disk where boot1 is read from > should be where loader.efi and loader.conf are first read. > I just wanted to note that gptzfsboot and zfsboot behaves this way. Boot1 looks for loader in the pool which contain

Re: RPC request sent to 127.0.0.1 becomes from other IP on machine

2015-12-10 Thread Doug Rabson
I think a local socket is probably the best solution long term. Using a local socket also allows using filesystem permissions to control access which is required for gssd but not necessarily for nfsuserd. On 10 December 2015 at 13:37, Rick Macklem wrote: > Hi, > > Mark has reported a problem vi

Re: Segmentation fault running ntpd

2015-11-04 Thread Doug Hardie
command on 9.3. Eventually it returns a no response from the server. However, ntpq works just fine and nagios is able to get the status without problems. Both of those did not work properly before. — Doug ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list htt

Re: gettimeofday((void *)-1, NULL) implicates core dump on recent FreeBSD 11-CURRENT

2015-07-09 Thread Doug Rabson
On Thursday, July 9, 2015, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In article > >, > oliver.pin...@hardenedbsd.org writes: > > >Btw, I have found this is atf's documantation: > >atf_tc_expect_signal(SIGSEGV, "reaseon"), with this, we could mark the > >specific test case could "fail" / or expect to coredump. >

Re: gettimeofday((void *)-1, NULL) implicates core dump on recent FreeBSD 11-CURRENT

2015-07-08 Thread Doug Rabson
As far as I can tell, POSIX doesn't require either EFAULT or any other behaviour - the text in http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/open/n4217.pdf just says, "No errors are defined". Our man page is wrong and any real program which relies on gettimeofday not faulting when given bad inputs is broken.

Re: What to do about RCS/OpenRCS

2015-05-07 Thread Doug Brewer
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 04:18:38PM -0700, NGie Cooper wrote: > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > Hello; > > > > On 05/07/15 14:56, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 7 May 2015, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > >> > >>> Unfortunately I don't use RCS enough (it looks like I s

Re: nmount, mountd drops high order MNT_xx flags during a mount update

2015-05-06 Thread Doug Rabson
You could add a single integer-valued vfsopt which holds the high-order bits of f_flags? On 7 May 2015 at 02:10, Rick Macklem wrote: > David Boyd reported a problem to freebsd-current@ w.r.t. the > MNT_AUTOMOUNTED > flag getting cleared by mountd. > http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?14294772

Re: old bug: mount_nfs path/name is limited to 88 chars

2015-01-22 Thread Doug Ambrisko
t is an intermediate solution to add new settings which are | going to be used for userspace programs, like USER_MNAMELEN and | USER_PATH_MAX. It will certainly give ENAMETOOLONG back when it involves | systemcalls. But then a lot of the other tool stuff would just function. I have a patch at:

Re: SMBus controller

2014-06-25 Thread Doug Ambrisko
a server/desktop I haven't run into that problem. I've noticed there seem to be i2c buses for displays which seems to be separate. I've made i2c interface to machines via PCI slots or soldered wires onto DIMMs. Some motherboard have i2c headers. It's easily hackable to

Re: ipmi patch for review

2014-05-30 Thread Doug Ambrisko
S and the kernel backtrace to the system event log. We find this useful when looking at customer machines. IPMI gets upset if things get intermixed/interrupted so there needs to be serialization and cancellation if being interrupted. Thanks, Doug A. ___

Re: newcons comming

2013-11-04 Thread Doug Ambrisko
ntrol -s 1 < /dev/ttyv0 to /etc/rc.suspend and vidcontrol -s 9 < /dev/ttyv0 to /etc/rc.resume fixed that for me. Doug A. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: newcons comming

2013-11-04 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 11:16:53PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: |On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Doug Ambrisko |wrote: | | On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 03:18:47PM +0300, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: | | Hello fellow hackers! | | | | I finally reach the point when I can work

Re: newcons comming

2013-10-31 Thread Doug Ambrisko
However, on a whole it is much improved since with i915kms and newcons when in X via vesa I couldn't switch to a non-X display since it was blank. Thanks, Doug A. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/li

Re: Problem with r255775 include/mk-osreldate.sh

2013-09-25 Thread Doug Ambrisko
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:16:47PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: | On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 10:52 -0700, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | > I don't know if others have run into this but I hit a problem with | > include/mk-osreldate.sh. It does a set -e to exit on commands failing | > and sourc

Problem with r255775 include/mk-osreldate.sh

2013-09-25 Thread Doug Ambrisko
-e. What do folks think? It would be good to get this fixed before MFC and before 10 is released. Doug A. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: Kernel output interleaved on boot

2013-04-11 Thread Doug Ambrisko
s separately and then get intermixed a lot. So I modified them to print them as one line. Then they didn't seem to get intermixed. This doesn't solve the overall problem, but if messages are done more this way then it helps. Thanks, Doug A. ___

Re: serial console not accepting input?

2013-03-04 Thread Doug Ambrisko
al redirection options (it's a Dell 2950). My best guess is that | the serial port on the box is physically broken. Try to do a {Ctrl}D to see if works. We've seen that the TX on reset hangs but input works fine. I'm not sure if we ran into t

Re: Possible bug in NFSv4 with krb5p security?

2013-02-16 Thread Doug Rabson
On 16 February 2013 16:18, Elias Mårtenson wrote: > On 17 February 2013 00:03, Doug Rabson wrote: > >> I don't think much (if anything) has changed with gssd between 9.1 and >> current. When your gssd hangs, you can try to get a stack trace using gdb's >>

Re: Possible bug in NFSv4 with krb5p security?

2013-02-16 Thread Doug Rabson
On 16 February 2013 13:57, Elias Mårtenson wrote: > On 16 February 2013 18:58, Doug Rabson wrote: > >> This may be a stupid question but does the user 'elias' exist in the >> local password database? >> >> If you are using heimdal from the base distributi

Re: Possible bug in NFSv4 with krb5p security?

2013-02-16 Thread Doug Rabson
This may be a stupid question but does the user 'elias' exist in the local password database? If you are using heimdal from the base distribution and you have source, you should be able to build them with debug information which may help. When I was writing gssd, I mostly ran it under gdb to debug

Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm

2012-11-10 Thread Doug Brewer
er, when Sam Leffler was the maintainer of ath and CAMBRIA board (it's an embedded device, right?), he had never broke the build. > Adrian BR, Doug. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm

2012-11-10 Thread Doug Brewer
Chuck Burns wrote: On 11/9/2012 4:16 PM, Brett wrote: > >> Message: 11 > >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:34:58 +0800 > >> From: Doug Brewer > >> To: Adrian Chadd > >> Cc: a...@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Tinderbox , > >>curr...@freebsd.org

Re: [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm

2012-11-09 Thread Doug Brewer
No offence, but how many times did you break the build? Could you please compile your code before committing next time? Thanks a lot! On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Fixed, sorry! > > > > > adrian > > On 8 November 2012 15:03, FreeBSD Tinderbox wrote: >> TB --- 2012-11-08 2

Re: boot2/loader: serial port handling

2012-10-18 Thread Doug Ambrisko
back it out. Some liked it. I have ported it to uart(4) since we need that functionality when we moved to a newer FreeBSD. Doug A. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe

Re: squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/18/2012 23:17, matt wrote: > On 09/18/12 23:00, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 9/18/2012 10:56 PM, matt wrote: >>> On 09/18/12 18:01, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> Sometime in the last couple of months an old problem has resurfaced on >>>> HEAD, a sort of sq

Re: squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/18/2012 10:56 PM, matt wrote: > On 09/18/12 18:01, Doug Barton wrote: >> Sometime in the last couple of months an old problem has resurfaced on >> HEAD, a sort of squealing/whistling sound in the audio, even without >> anything playing. The sound is similar to the w

squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-18 Thread Doug Barton
as to where I might look? Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909

Re: underexposed snapshots

2012-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
e decided that since allbsd is doing it for us, we don't need to put any effort into making it happen ourselves. That in spite of the fact that numerous volunteers have come forward willing to help. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do somethin

Shouldn't world be able to build without /usr/include?

2012-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
===> tools/build (obj,includes,depend,all,install) grep: /usr/include/stdio.h: No such file or directory /usr/obj/frontier/svn/head/tmp/frontier/svn/head/tools/build created for /frontier/svn/head/tools/build grep: /usr/include/stdio.h: No such file or directory cd /frontier/svn/head/tools/build; m

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/12/2012 1:49 AM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 12 Sep 2012, at 10:09, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Also, users who actually are helping with testing clang for ports >> continue to report runtime problems, even with things that build fine. > > I hope that you are encourag

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/12/2012 12:40 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote: > Den 12/09/2012 kl. 11.29 skrev Doug Barton : > >> On 09/11/2012 02:52 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote: >>> So can we do a sweep on the ports tree and mark the 2232 ports >>> with USE_GCC=4.2 until they can actually build wi

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 05:03 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 04:10:13PM +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: >> >> However, I think the majority of users can get by just fine using clang, >> right now. Doug Barton even confirmed in this thread that 80% of our >>

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
hundreds that fail on -current only. I try to > advertise all these things the best I know how. Adding the hundreds that > fail on -clang only and then blaming the maintainers is simply going to be > counter-productive. Write the day on your calendars folks, I completely agree with what Ma

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
he short term.) Once that is done, the compiler in the base is an afterthought, and we can do away with gcc in the base altogether much more easily. Users who want to help support building ports with clang can continue to do so. Doug ___ freebsd-current@fre

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-11 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 02:27 AM, Lars Engels wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:54:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> As of last week, 4,680 ports out of 23,857 failed to build with clang on >> 9-amd64. That's almost a 20% failure rate. Until we have better support >> for either

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-10 Thread Doug Barton
uild correctly with clang, and the issue of defining a "ports compiler" version of gcc (and appropriate infrastructure) for those that can't. Once those issues are resolved there would not be any further obstacles to moving the default. Until they are, the change is premature. D

Re: Can't build FreeBSD-head with CLANG

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
aspects the better off we will all be. I for one put ext2fs in my kernel config because I have critical stuff on those file systems and I both do want the speed boost and don't want to worry about what's going to happen when I boot a new kernel. Tools, not policy. Doug -- I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/01/2012 12:59, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Again, this is part of the reason why I suggested multiple release > trains. Although it's more painful for bapt@, et all, it's ultimately > what would need to be done in order for pkgng to be packaged with a > release or set of releases. Garrett,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote: > As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow > as part of normal maintenance Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo database up to date as it's making changes? -- I am only one, but I am one.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-30 Thread Doug Barton
4, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: >>>>>> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the >>>>>> base magically deleting themselves. >>>>>> >>>&g

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 13:35, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wr

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 13:02, namor wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to >>> /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap wo

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
bug fix for something in the base limits our ability to innovate with pkg in the ports tree. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 11:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> >>> The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg >>> bootstrap may it

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
e if it is pkg-bootstrap or something else you like better. But please change the name to not be pkg, and limit the functionality of the tool to bootstrapping the pkg package. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not le

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 11:37, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: >>> True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have >>> to install pkgng by hand. >> >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: > True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to > install pkgng by hand. Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 5:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: >>> Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever goi

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
idea, it's contrary to one of the primary goals of the project. Doug - -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: >> I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other >> people's poorly written docs. > > This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expect

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
ple's poorly written docs. You bring up a valid point that we should keep in mind for our own however. The bootstrapping issue will be the smallest possible annoyance on a long road of the migration process. OTOH this is a good use case for the "prompt the user when they type a comma

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
a pkg_bootstrap tool that was a use once and forget kind of thing. I was quite surprised when sbin/pkg was added, but since people tell me I already comment on too much, I decided to wait and see what others thought. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/22/2012 5:27 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 21/08/2012 22:15, Doug Barton wrote: > >> And in this case, it doesn't matter how awesome the new tools >> are, they are a MAJOR paradigm shift for how users interact wi

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-22 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 6:58 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: > >> I don't think we have ever done a complete replacement of major >> infrastructure in one release. > > You mean like sysinstall can be used as an installer on 9 that would >

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 1:08 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daro

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> 1/ if it fits the schedule: get rid of pkg_* tools in current >>> to be able to have a fully pkgng onl

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
stated before, I'm fine with removing pkg_* tools from 10 if there is robust support for them in the ports tree. I know you're excited about this project, but let's not lose sight of how big a change this is, and how important ports are to the project. Doug -- I am only one, but I

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 11:47 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/21/2012 6:46 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> I would also like to just remove pkg_* tools from RELENG_10 if that fits the >>> schedule. >> >> Um, no

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
9.1 EOLs. To make my point more clear, the ports tree has to support the last release to ship with pkg_* tools in the base throughout its lifetime. To do anything else would be be a massive POLA violation. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do somet

Re: r239356: does it mean, that synchronous dhcp and dhcplcinet with disabled devd gone?

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
agree with the chorus of responders that it is more important to maintain our historic resilience to temporary loss of connectivity. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 06:32, Alexander Motin wrote: > I have no plans to converge them. I've just found problem in ULE, that > was replicated into 4BSD and it would be strange to fix one without > another. But fixing it exposed another old problem specific to 4BSD, > which I fixed reusing logically equival

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 02:59, Alexander Motin wrote: > On 20.08.2012 11:32, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/15/2012 03:18, Alexander Motin wrote: >>> On 15.08.2012 03:09, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>>> Would you be wi

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/15/2012 03:18, Alexander Motin wrote: > On 15.08.2012 03:09, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> Would you be willing to compile a kernel with KTR so you can capture >>> some KTR scheduler dumps? >>> >>> Th

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/14/2012 09:18 PM, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2012-08-15 02:09, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > ... >>> Maybe things aren't being scheduled correctly and the added latency is >>> killing performance? >> >> You

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-14 Thread Doug Barton
hat I called "mini thundering herd" problems where they could never quite get caught up. Whereas switching to 4BSD the same servers got into high-load situations less often, and they recovered on their own in minutes. Doug ___ freebsd-current@f

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/04/2012 17:56, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/04/2012 14:26, Garrett Cooper wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> >>>> On 08/04/2012 00:40, O. Hartmann wrote: >>&

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 12:18, David Chisnall wrote: > Thank you for your thoughtful reply, You too ... I let some time go by to see what others had to say. I think it's disappointing that more people aren't concerned about this issue. > On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Doug Barton wrote: > &

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/04/2012 14:26, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 08/04/2012 00:40, O. Hartmann wrote: >>> No, also in my case. I build world and the VBox software with each >>> kernel - usually. >> >> You c

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-04 Thread Doug Barton
other modules in that list as well. I use vbox so you can be pretty confident that this is going to keep working. :) Doug - -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
e supportive. What I'm hearing so far is defensiveness, and an attempt to focus the discussion on me. Neither is helpful. :) Acknowledging that this is a problem that needs to be solved does not imply that by not solving it you personally have failed in some way. I apologize if anything I've w

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
reeBSD community as a whole. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
uld be a good long-term investment that would benefit a lot of people, especially in comparison to the money set aside for travel grants which is now going begging. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I can

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
ming from a newly elected core team member. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett H

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:34, Doug Barton wrote: > BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks > like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html > > Feel free to join in as a lurker. Sorry, this ag

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:13, David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? >> If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you >> don't tell people

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
ne in the room(s). They were told that it wasn't possible to do that. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:54, David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: > >> I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote >> participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. >> I don't bother asking anymore because year a

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote: > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman > wrote: > >> Doug makes some good points. > > No, he doesn't. Yes I do! (So there) > He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory > where none of that is warranted

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