On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> The old 2-button 9-pin $5 serial Dexxa mice were really fun.. I used
> to buy the OEMs in bulk. They were a comfy little mouse, but, shine
> direct sunlight on them and the optical disc motion sensors wouldn't
> work. The cheap, thin plastic casing all
"Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote:
> You could say I reserve the right shoot myself in foot by swapping keyboards.
I think you've made it really clear with all of your many posts that
you want this option. On the other hand, some of us think it's
worthwhile to warn people that swapping keyboard
At 05:43 AM 3/11/00 -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 07:45:33PM -0600, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
> >
> > Hopefully that "yet" will be "never" so one can boot sans keyboard and
> > later hook one up if need be.
>
>For me it cannot come soon enough. *FINALLY* the PC toy will act
On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote to Ryan Thompson:
>
> > At 09:19 PM 3/10/00 -0600, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> > >Me as well...For at least a decade. I used to do it manually all the
> > >time, but had occasional glitche
Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote to Ryan Thompson:
> At 09:19 PM 3/10/00 -0600, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> >Me as well...For at least a decade. I used to do it manually all the
> >time, but had occasional glitches with funny scan codes and indicator
> >statuses. With a mid-range priced switch, though, I ha
Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> I'm not sure, that's why I asked the list :-) Really, what I was asking
> is if there is a better way to detect a serial console.. Rather than the
> current logic of "If there is no keyboard, there must be a serial
> console". I can think of N reasons why a box would ha
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 07:45:33PM -0600, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
>
> Hopefully that "yet" will be "never" so one can boot sans keyboard and
> later hook one up if need be.
For me it cannot come soon enough. *FINALLY* the PC toy will act like a
real Unix computer. This is the behavior of al
At 09:19 PM 3/10/00 -0600, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>Me as well...For at least a decade. I used to do it manually all the
>time, but had occasional glitches with funny scan codes and indicator
>statuses. With a mid-range priced switch, though, I have had no problems
>whatsoever.
The only glitches I
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jeffrey J. Mountin" writes:
: Can't safely? Why the hell not?
The spec doesn't allow for it. And most mobo mfg don't properly
ground things so that you won't accidentally introduce a large static
zap into the system.
: Been hot-swapping keyboards for many years
Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote to Mike Smith:
> At 05:54 PM 3/10/00 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> >Since you can't safely hot-plug the PC keyboard, that wouldn't be very
> >smart. The only way to auto-detect the use of a serial console is to
> >look for a keyboard; if one isn't plugged in, there's no loc
At 05:54 PM 3/10/00 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
>Since you can't safely hot-plug the PC keyboard, that wouldn't be very
>smart. The only way to auto-detect the use of a serial console is to
>look for a keyboard; if one isn't plugged in, there's no local console,
>end of story.
Can't safely? Why th
>> It's indeed inconvenient that you cannot safely hot-plug the keyboard.
>> And the world is heading for the USB standard... :-)
>
>This actually opens another entire can of worms; detecting a USB keyboard
>at the bootstrap level is _not_ easy. It looks like at least some
>systems aren't sett
Mike Smith wrote to Ryan Thompson:
> > "Don't have a keyboard" != "No keyboard detected" != "Serial Console".
>
> No keyboard detected -> local console won't be used -> use serial console
Yes, that would seem to sum up the current behavior quite well. :-)
> > Ok, so they can't be probed. H
> It's indeed inconvenient that you cannot safely hot-plug the keyboard.
> And the world is heading for the USB standard... :-)
This actually opens another entire can of worms; detecting a USB keyboard
at the bootstrap level is _not_ easy. It looks like at least some
systems aren't setting the
>> >And, if not, could
>> >the loader at least not display a message on the local monitor like
>> >"Switching output to serial console...", or better yet, "Switching output
>> >to serial console in 10 seconds.. press any key to abort"?
>>
>> Which key do you mean? The system has found no keyboa
> > > > >Isn't there a better way to identify a serial console?
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand. What do you expect the boot loader to do?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure, that's why I asked the list :-) Really, what I was asking
> > > is if there is a better way to detect a serial console.. Rat
> At 05:06 PM 3/10/00 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> >Note also that the probe-for-keyboard feature is only used on the
> >installation media; it's not the default for system behaviour (yet).
>
> Hopefully that "yet" will be "never" so one can boot sans keyboard and
> later hook one up if need be.
At 05:06 PM 3/10/00 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
>Note also that the probe-for-keyboard feature is only used on the
>installation media; it's not the default for system behaviour (yet).
Hopefully that "yet" will be "never" so one can boot sans keyboard and
later hook one up if need be.
Jeff Mounti
Mike Smith wrote to Ryan Thompson:
> > > >Isn't there a better way to identify a serial console?
> > >
> > > I don't understand. What do you expect the boot loader to do?
> >
> > I'm not sure, that's why I asked the list :-) Really, what I was asking
> > is if there is a better way to detec
> > >Isn't there a better way to identify a serial console?
> >
> > I don't understand. What do you expect the boot loader to do?
>
> I'm not sure, that's why I asked the list :-) Really, what I was asking
> is if there is a better way to detect a serial console.. Rather than the
> current l
Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote to Ryan Thompson:
> >Maybe there is a valid reason for this, but when I attempt to boot the 4.0
> >kern.flp without a keyboard attached (I share one keyboard between four
> >systems, here), it displays keyboard: no and the BTX loader message, and
> >ceases to display ANY out
>Maybe there is a valid reason for this, but when I attempt to boot the 4.0
>kern.flp without a keyboard attached (I share one keyboard between four
>systems, here), it displays keyboard: no and the BTX loader message, and
>ceases to display ANY output on the attached monitor (though it does
>cont
Hi all...
Maybe there is a valid reason for this, but when I attempt to boot the 4.0
kern.flp without a keyboard attached (I share one keyboard between four
systems, here), it displays keyboard: no and the BTX loader message, and
ceases to display ANY output on the attached monitor (though it doe
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