Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Thanks to some reviewers, a couple of problems with my last patch have been fixed. This time, I've actually tried the combinations involved to make sure it works. The changes from the last patch are only to /etc/mail/Makefile and /etc/rc.sendmail. rc.sendmail changes: - Use proper shell variab

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
>> In a somewhat unrelated note, I also plan on arranging to move the >> sendmail-specific stuff out of src/etc/mail/ and into src/etc/sendmail so >> the installation of things like sample sendmail maps, etc. don't clutter a >> NO_SENDMAIL installation. I'll need to arrange this event with the CV

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
keramida> A better fix would be to use the sh(1) way of conditionally setting a keramida> variable: keramida> sendmail_program=${sendmail_program:-/usr/sbin/sendmail} keramida> Similarly for the rest of those ?= assignments. keramida> AFAIK, the ?= assignment style works in make rules. keramida>

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 07:12:52PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Gregory Neil Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to > > the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), > > Why? It doesn't ma

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
ianjhart> One small quibble. If I want to set ianjhart> mta_start_script="" ianjhart> and run rc.sendmail(.sh) from /usr/local/etc/rc.d ianjhart> shouldn't "stop" kill both queues? You'd need to add ianjhart> a stop-mtaq obviously. ianjhart> A global restart might be nice too. Yes, rc.sendmail s

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
>> Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to >> the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), des> Why? It doesn't make any difference as long as one uses the des> mailwrapper stuff: des> des@des ~% grep sendmail /etc/rc.conf des> sendma

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Gregory Neil Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to > the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), Why? It doesn't make any difference as long as one uses the mailwrapper stuff: des@des ~% grep s

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-30 Thread Andre Albsmeier
On Thu, 28-Mar-2002 at 14:49:49 -0600, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > From: "Coleman Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Another thing to look at is the /usr/sbin/sendmail -> mailwrapper link > that is > > produced from installworld. In current it seems to have been linking that, > even > > Stable creates the

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-29 Thread Andy Farkas
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > In a somewhat unrelated note, I also plan on arranging to move the > sendmail-specific stuff out of src/etc/mail/ and into src/etc/sendmail so > the installation of things like sample sendmail maps, etc. don't clutter a > NO_SENDMAIL installation

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-03-30 01:00, ian j hart wrote: > Okay, I have this running in (4.5) stable. > > A few lines caused some problems. > > To get it working I did this > > --- /usr/src/etc/sendmail/rc.sendmail Fri Mar 29 19:50:55 2002 > +++ /etc/rc.sendmailFri Mar 29 21:22:52 2002 > @@ -47,15 +47,15 @@

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-29 Thread ian j hart
Okay, I have this running in (4.5) stable. A few lines caused some problems. To get it working I did this --- /usr/src/etc/sendmail/rc.sendmail Fri Mar 29 19:50:55 2002 +++ /etc/rc.sendmailFri Mar 29 21:22:52 2002 @@ -47,15 +47,15 @@ fi # The sendmail binary -sendmail_program?= /us

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-29 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Peter Wemm: > > Opinions? > > Enthusiastic thumbs-up from me! :-) Nice idea, go for it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 5.0-CURRENT #80: Sun Jun 4 22:44:19 CEST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Wemm
Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > http://people.freebsd.org/~gshapiro/mta-start > > Opinions? Enthusiastic thumbs-up from me! :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscrib

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread ian j hart
Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > > Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to > the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), I > thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. > > As an alternative to sendmail_enab

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Scot W. Hetzel([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2002.03.28 14:49:49 +: > Qmail install shouldn't need to install anything into /usr/[sbin,bin] > directories with mailwrapper properly configured (see `man mailer.conf` & > 'man mailwrapper'). a quick glance into /usr/ports/mail/qmail/pkg-plist shows, that no

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Scot W. Hetzel
From: "Coleman Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Another thing to look at is the /usr/sbin/sendmail -> mailwrapper link that is > produced from installworld. In current it seems to have been linking that, even Stable creates the same links to mailwrapper. > when NO_SENDMAIL=yes in make.conf. Qmail et

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 07:39:24AM -0800, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > As an alternative to sendmail_enable=NONE, why not solve the boot time > problem for non-sendmail users completely. The patch moves all of the > sendmail startup code from /etc/rc to /etc/rc.sendmail. Yes, please commit. Ve

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Coleman Kane
Another thing to look at is the /usr/sbin/sendmail -> mailwrapper link that is produced from installworld. In current it seems to have been linking that, even when NO_SENDMAIL=yes in make.conf. Qmail et al. overwrite this with their own workalike (since /usr/sbin/sendmail is a 'standard' these day

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Jan.Grant> Hang on, what problem? I think you've already done this: if you use Jan.Grant> sendmail_enable = "YES" Jan.Grant> sendmail_flags = "whatever you normally use" And: sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO" Jan.Grant> and configer /etc/mail/mailer.conf properly, then if your MTA Jan.Grant> was

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Jan Grant
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to > the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), I > thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. > > As an alternativ

Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
Given that non-sendmail users will be inconvenienced when upgrading due to the 8.12 changes (need to change sendmail_enable from "NO" to "NONE"), I thought it might be better to give them something back for their trouble. As an alternative to sendmail_enable=NONE, why not solve the boot time prob

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
thomas> Hum. If we make the assumption that non-Sendmail-users use some thomas> other MTA installed through a port or locally, then I guess that thomas> MTA should be expected to be started from a /usr/local/etc/rc.d script, thomas> so maybe the new variable mta_startup_script is overkill. They c

Re: Another possible solution for non-sendmail users

2002-03-28 Thread Thomas Quinot
Le 2002-03-28, Gregory Neil Shapiro écrivait : > Opinions? Hum. If we make the assumption that non-Sendmail-users use some other MTA installed through a port or locally, then I guess that MTA should be expected to be started from a /usr/local/etc/rc.d script, so maybe the new variable mta_startu