From: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org
Having things in ports doesn't make them less available. :)
From Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com
It didn't used to. It risks it now, since in last months, some
ports/ have been targeted by a few rogue commiters purging, who
want to toss ports out
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote:
Maybe sometime we will see a project arise that will be a replacement
ports/ for more than one BSD, perhaps even extending to Linux, (to
avoid reinventing of the wheel that must go on with ports skeletal
structs for each
There is also mirports from MirBSD that is supported on MirBSD, MidnightBSD,
and Mac OS X. They also got a pkgsrc port going recently. The problem is that
projects have specific needs that other systems don't have. FreeBSD ports are
by far the largest and very fast to build. Pkgsrc comes out
Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com writes:
There is also mirports from MirBSD that is supported on MirBSD, MidnightBSD,
and Mac OS X. They also got a pkgsrc port going recently. The problem is that
projects have specific needs that other systems don't have. FreeBSD ports are
by far the
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 05:31:15PM +0100, Daniel Horecki wrote:
Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com writes:
There is also mirports from MirBSD that is supported on MirBSD,
MidnightBSD, and Mac OS X. They also got a pkgsrc port going recently. The
problem is that projects have specific
On 12/11/2011 06:14, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you
Hi,
Reference:
From: Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:02 -0800
Message-id: 4ee7c39e.6040...@freebsd.org
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/11/2011 06:14, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I think
On 12/13/11 7:49 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
Reference:
From: Doug Bartondo...@freebsd.org
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:29:02 -0800
Message-id: 4ee7c39e.6040...@freebsd.org
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/11/2011 06:14, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
On
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/13/11 7:49 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
which brings up teh possibility of 1st class ports.. which are kept more as
part of the system..
(sorry for sounding like a broken record..)
*jumps back into the fray*
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you should leave these changes bake for a
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
I use CVS (or rather csup) to keep the base system up to date. I would
be perfectly okay with using a different utility - however, I would
strongly prefer that this utility was included in the base system.
CVS != csup.
I
Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
Hi Daniel;
--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Daniel Eischen deisc...@freebsd.org wrote:
...
I would love to mirror the SVN repo in the same way
and have an 'svn' in base, or at least something that
could replace CVS in the above scenario.
I have to say I am surprised
--- Dom 11/12/11, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com ha scritto:
...
I have to say I am surprised by all the people that
still use CVS (for their own good reasons).
It still would be helpful if cvs users could evaluate
OpenCVS: it's been experimental for ages now. It does
seem to have
On 12/11/11 08:39, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
Hi Daniel;
--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Daniel Eischendeisc...@freebsd.org wrote:
...
I would love to mirror the SVN repo in the same way
and have an 'svn' in base, or at least something that
could replace CVS in the above scenario.
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On 11/12/2011 14:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
I use CVS (or rather csup) to keep the base system up to date.
I would be perfectly okay with using a different utility -
however, I would
On 12/3/11 5:45 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Just to back up that point: until CVS is completely unused by
releng (docs, ports are still done via CVS),
Ah - I am indeed mistaken. Not all that surprising.
it really shouldn't be
removed from base (no matter how broken or undeveloped it is).
I
On 12/4/11 9:21 PM, Daniel Eischen wrote:
On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Julian Elischerjul...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and
arguments)
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
CVS != csup.
I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when
they really mean cvsup/csup.
I wasn't going to jump onto this bikeshed, as CVS will not be going
anywhere any time soon, I am sure.
I use
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Julian Elischer wrote:
On 12/4/11 9:21 PM, Daniel Eischen wrote:
On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Julian Elischerjul...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be
Replying to a random message in this thread
On 12/05/2011 13:49, Tom Evans wrote:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khonf...@samodelkin.net wrote:
CVS != csup.
I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when
they really mean cvsup/csup.
I wasn't going to jump onto
.. they'll work the same way things w/ src work at the moment, which I
believe is:
* stuff is in svn;
* svn2cvs runs;
* cvsup mirrors the cvs repository;
* users use cvsup against that.
So this is a non-issue. :)
Adrian
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Tom Evans tevans...@googlemail.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
CVS != csup.
I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when
they
Tom Evans tevans...@googlemail.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
CVS != csup.
I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when
they really mean cvsup/csup.
I wasn't going to jump onto this bikeshed, as CVS will not be going
On 12/05/2011 16:28, Tom Evans wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Lowell Gilbert
freebsd-current-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote:
Tom Evanstevans...@googlemail.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khonf...@samodelkin.net wrote:
CVS != csup.
I wonder how many people will
On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Claude Buisson clbuis...@orange.fr wrote:
On 12/05/2011 16:28, Tom Evans wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Lowell Gilbert
freebsd-current-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote:
Tom Evanstevans...@googlemail.com writes:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max
I want to ask some serious questions here, because I genuinely want to
understand your thought process.
1. Do you install *any* ports/packages on a new system before you update
the source?
Answering just for myself here...
Going back a bit, in many cases I didn't need to install any
From Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com:
Supplying only a console-mode FreeBSD as a release is making FreeBSD
unusable for
peoples who they are not computing experts .
To allow less experienced people to use FreeBSD easily , it is necessary to
include a
selected
On 04/12/2011 09:08, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
It's not unthinkable. However, IMHO we're then gradually edging closer
to various Linux distros that need lots of packages installed to do
anything useful. And that, of course, brings up the question - why not
just use Linux in the first place? For
Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/3/2011 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
[...] The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a
feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that
the
said CVS doesn't cover csup, I meant any removal of CVS
from base would still leave csup available for obtaining source.
Regards,
Jase.
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On 12/04/11 01:25, Doug Barton wrote:
[snip]
Replying to a somewhat random mail in this thread.
Has anyone considerede that the people actually using CVS for getting
the source might be somewhat overrepresented on freebsd-current?
If I had to guess, the average user is using either
I understand that this is not my business at all :)
But anyway, IMHO, you should take GPL-free effort as an example.
When you visit http://wiki.freebsd.org/GPLinBase you easily can see what
going to be dumped, why, and with what it's going to be replaced.
What I mean exactly - throw emails to mail
Christian Laursen wrote:
On 12/04/11 01:25, Doug Barton wrote:
[snip]
Replying to a somewhat random mail in this thread.
Has anyone considerede that the people actually using CVS for getting
the source might be somewhat overrepresented on freebsd-current?
Probably you are right. I guess I
Christian Laursen wrote:
[...]
I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in
base for that reason.
By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I guess the rule do not
brake that is working
or provide a way to do the same should work. If there is a number of
users of
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote:
Christian Laursen wrote:
[...]
I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in base
for that reason.
By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I guess the rule do not
brake that is working
or
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/3/2011 5:03 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a
feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that
the majority
On 12/3/11 6:40 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
The problem I have with all of this is pretty simple.
With the CVS in base, it's treated like the (mostly) rest of the
system in a stable release - ie, people don't simply keep updating it
to the latest and greatest without some testing. If there are any
On 12/4/2011 12:19 PM, Julian Elischer wrote:
I propose we create a companion directory to src in SVN and cal it
sysports
it uses the ports infrastructure in organization (though may be more
hierarchical)
but is populated with items that have come out of the 'src' tree.
it is shipped along
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/4/2011 12:19 PM, Julian Elischer wrote:
I propose we create a companion directory to src in SVN and cal it
sysports
it uses the ports infrastructure in organization (though may be more
hierarchical)
but is populated
On 4. Dec 2011, at 18:07 , C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote:
Christian Laursen wrote:
[...]
I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in base
for that reason.
By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and
arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure
and what things currently NOT in the base should be promoted.
as one with a long list of
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and
arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure
and what things currently NOT in the base should be promoted.
Am 05.12.2011 um 00:36 schrieb Randy Bush:
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and
arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure
and what things currently NOT in the base should be
BIND OTOH is something different.
what's bind? :)
randy
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:42:04 PST Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i suspect that my install pattern is similar to others
o custom install so i can split filesystems the way i prefer,
enabling net ssh
o pkg_add -r { bash, rsync,
Le 05/12/2011 03:00, Randy Bush a écrit :
BIND OTOH is something different.
what's bind? :)
http://www.isc.org/software/bind
Regards,
Cyrille Lefevre
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BIND OTOH is something different.
what's bind? :)
http://www.isc.org/software/bind
see the smily?
bind is not in my install set. if i need an on-system cache, i use
unbound.
randy
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On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil
is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and
arguments) about what to remove from the base to the
Doug Barton wrote:
[...]
The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
majority view seems to lean heavily towards If I use it, it must be the
The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
majority view seems to lean heavily towards If I use it, it must be the
default and/or
Jase Thew wrote:
On 03/12/2011 09:21, Roman Kurakin wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
[...]
The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
majority
Rik,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote:
The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
majority view seems
Hello!
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
I use CVS (or rather csup) to keep the base system up to date. I would
be perfectly okay with using a different utility - however, I would
strongly prefer that this utility was included in the base system.
CVS != csup.
I
Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Those who still use it for development can install ports/devel/opencvs
Rather ports/devel/cvs-devel. Maybe we still need a regular cvs
On 12/2/11 4:27 AM, Max Khon wrote:
In my opinion it is just another piece of bitrot that resides in the
base system for no real reasons.
I agree, especially since all the development work is being done on SVN
and then is exported back to CVS, if I am not mistaken[1]. We've done
the hard part,
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011, Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
I use CVS (or rather csup) to keep the base system up to date. I would
be perfectly okay with using a different utility - however, I would
strongly prefer that this utility was included in
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
Hello!
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
Max Khon wrote:
Rik,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote:
The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
[...]
The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no
matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the
Hi Daniel;
--- On Sat, 12/3/11, Daniel Eischen deisc...@freebsd.org wrote:
...
I would love to mirror the SVN repo in the same way
and have an 'svn' in base, or at least something that
could replace CVS in the above scenario.
I have to say I am surprised by all the people that
still use
On 12/03/2011 17:29, Sean M. Collins wrote:
[...]
all the development work is being done on SVN
and then is exported back to CVS, if I am not mistaken[1].
[...]
Aren't ports still updated with CVS?
Cheers
Michiel
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Michiel Boland mich...@boland.org wrote:
On 12/03/2011 17:29, Sean M. Collins wrote:
[...]
all the development work is being done on SVN
and then is exported back to CVS, if I am not mistaken[1].
[...]
Aren't ports still updated with CVS?
Just to back
On 12/3/2011 5:03 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a
feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that
the majority view seems to lean heavily towards
On 12/3/2011 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
[...] The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a
feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that
the majority view seems to
The problem I have with all of this is pretty simple.
With the CVS in base, it's treated like the (mostly) rest of the
system in a stable release - ie, people don't simply keep updating it
to the latest and greatest without some testing. If there are any
critical bugs or security flaws, they're
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
The problem I have with all of this is pretty simple.
With the CVS in base, it's treated like the (mostly) rest of the
system in a stable release - ie, people don't simply keep updating it
to the latest and greatest
On 4 December 2011 11:59, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote:
Supplying only a console-mode FreeBSD as a release is making FreeBSD
unusable for
peoples who they are not computing experts .
And the PCBSD crowd have stepped up to fill this gap.
So we're free to concentrate on
to by random version. But csup
certainly allows you to obtain the source as described in your scenario
above (last available source, even source at a particular point in time).
Also, when I said CVS doesn't cover csup, I meant any removal of CVS
from base would still leave csup available
Hello!
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Those who still use it for
Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Those
On 2011-Dec-02 16:27:34 +0700, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
I'd agree that it's still too early.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I
Peter,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote:
On 2011-Dec-02 16:27:34 +0700, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people
get comfortable with the changing status quo.
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:27:34PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
...
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Well. We _could_ replace it with SCCS.
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Why
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Diane Bruce d...@db.net wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:27:34PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
...
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Well. We _could_ replace it with
On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people
get
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