Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-15 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Craig Reyenga wrote: No matter what, disc#1 has a finite amount of space and it's going to be impossible to come up with a combination of packages that keeps everyone happy. Sooner or later, popular comes down to somebody's judgement. To see what's currently in

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread local.freebsd.current
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:46:43 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime we _really_ have to ship 5.0-RELEASE, we keep slipping it. That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but aren't there objective release criteria? To

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/01/14 10:22), local.freebsd.current wrote: In the meantime we _really_ have to ship 5.0-RELEASE, we keep slipping it. That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but aren't there objective release criteria? Yes. One

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Terry Lambert
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/01/14 10:22), local.freebsd.current wrote: In the meantime we _really_ have to ship 5.0-RELEASE, we keep slipping it. That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but aren't there objective

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread phk
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com, local.freebsd.current writes: On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:46:43 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime we _really_ have to ship 5.0-RELEASE, we keep slipping it. That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. That's it. I'm not trying to get

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Harald Hanche-Olsen
+ Sheldon Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | On (2003/01/14 10:22), local.freebsd.current wrote: | | I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but aren't there | objective release criteria? | | Yes. One of the release criteria is that it come into existence. :-) Indeed. There is an old story

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Trish Lynch
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Andy Farkas wrote: Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. Perhaps I do things in a non-standard way, but its worked for the last 8 years from 2.x through to 4.7-stable. Firstly, I download 'floppies' and create the 2 boot

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Nate Lawson
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/01/14 10:22), local.freebsd.current wrote: In the meantime we _really_ have to ship 5.0-RELEASE, we keep slipping it. That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Nate Lawson
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Trish Lynch wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Andy Farkas wrote: Perhaps I do things in a non-standard way, but its worked for the last 8 years from 2.x through to 4.7-stable. Firstly, I download 'floppies' and create the 2 boot disks, kern.flp and mgsroot.flp. Then I

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Keith Jones
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..com, local.freebsd.current writes: That sounds like it's time to ship so we're going to ship. That's it. I'm not trying to get up anyone's nose here, but aren't there objective release criteria? yes: No more delays :-) I think

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Andy Farkas
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Trish Lynch wrote: I just want to point out, POLA really only applies to -STABLE, and we're talking very specifically about -CURRENT. IN -CURRENT, substantial changes can be made with little warning, and only documentation sometimes (most of the time, people give a

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Craig Reyenga
I haven't actually tried 5.0RC3 yet, so what I'm about to say may be irrelevant, but here goes: One thing I noticed in previous releases is that the choice of packages is a little odd. Many small packages and ones that are not popular seem to make it on the first CD, while bigger and/or more

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Keith Jones
Craig Reyenga wrote: One thing I noticed in previous releases is that the choice of packages is a little odd. Many small packages and ones that are not popular seem to make it on the first CD, while bigger and/or more popular ones are stuck being fetched+built manually after. This can be a pain

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread James Pole
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 14:25, Keith Jones wrote: Craig Reyenga wrote: One thing I noticed in previous releases is that the choice of packages is a little odd. Many small packages and ones that are not popular seem to make it on the first CD, while bigger and/or more popular ones are

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Craig Reyenga
These mentioned licensing issues make sense, however I still think that there should be some sort of system to ensure big and/or popular packages to make it to CD #1. -Craig One thing I noticed in previous releases is that the choice of packages is a little odd. Many small packages and

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:14:11PM -0500, Craig Reyenga wrote: I haven't actually tried 5.0RC3 yet, so what I'm about to say may be irrelevant, but here goes: One thing I noticed in previous releases is that the choice of packages is a little odd. Many small packages and ones that are not

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 09:44:06PM -0500, Craig Reyenga wrote: These mentioned licensing issues make sense, however I still think that there should be some sort of system to ensure big and/or popular packages to make it to CD #1. Request it. Bear in mind that disc 1 has limited free space.

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Craig Reyenga wrote: These mentioned licensing issues make sense, however I still think that there should be some sort of system to ensure big and/or popular packages to make it to CD #1. No matter what, disc#1 has a finite amount of space and it's going to be

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread David Cuthbert
Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote: Indeed. There is an old story from the days of the big irons, when IBM had an objective release criterion stating that no new release of their OS would be shipped with more than 100 major bugs. As a result, before each release, the engineers would have a big meeting

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-14 Thread Craig Reyenga
No matter what, disc#1 has a finite amount of space and it's going to be impossible to come up with a combination of packages that keeps everyone happy. Sooner or later, popular comes down to somebody's judgement. To see what's currently in the package split, look at

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Roderick van Domburg
I would like to point to a currently unresolved issue that Thomas Moestl is helping me solve on freebsd-sparc@. It isn't listed on the Open Issues page, but I'd say it's something that needs to be resolved before the release is rolled. The thread is titled panic: trap: fast data access mmu miss

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread phk
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roderick van Domburg writes: I would like to point to a currently unresolved issue that Thomas Moestl is helping me solve on freebsd-sparc@. It isn't listed on the Open Issues page, but I'd say it's something that needs to be resolved before the release is rolled.

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Andy Farkas
Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. Perhaps I do things in a non-standard way, but its worked for the last 8 years from 2.x through to 4.7-stable. Firstly, I download 'floppies' and create the 2 boot disks, kern.flp and mgsroot.flp. Then I download

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 03:22:02AM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. Sysinstall complains about not being able to find the 'crypto' stuff, but thats ok - its always done that. Obviously, this isn't okay. No go for

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Andy Farkas
Why does pkg_install now need libssl? troutmask:kargl[251] ldd /usr/sbin/pkg_add /usr/sbin/pkg_add: libfetch.so.3 = /usr/lib/libfetch.so.3 (0x28074000) libmd.so.2 = /usr/lib/libmd.so.2 (0x2808) libssl.so.2 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.2 (0x2808a000)

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Le Monday 13 January 2003 18:22, Andy Farkas a écrit : [SNIP] # pkg_add cvsup-without-gui-16.1f.tgz /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libssl.so.2 not found # Why does pkg_install now need libssl? indeed : (see

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Andy Farkas
Le Monday 13 January 2003 18:22, Andy Farkas a écrit : French is such a sexy language... :) indeed : (see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/add/Makefile#rev1.15) Again, the acronym POLA springs to mind -- :{ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Farkas

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-13 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Andy Farkas wrote: Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. Perhaps I do things in a non-standard way, but its worked for the last 8 years from 2.x through to 4.7-stable. Firstly, I download 'floppies' and create the 2

FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-12 Thread Scott Long
All, Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. i386, pc98, alpha, ia64, and sparc64 releases are available on most mirrors now. Thanks to Marcel Moolenaar for providing the ia64 bits, Takahashi Yoshihiro for proving the pc98 bits, and David Obrien for the

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now available

2003-01-12 Thread Joe Laughlin
(see below, my question got answered already) Joe Laughlin wrote: Scott Long wrote: All, Once again it's my pleasure to announce Release Cadidate 3 of FreeBSD 5.0. i386, pc98, alpha, ia64, and sparc64 releases are available on most mirrors now. Thanks to Marcel Moolenaar for