Re: Heads-up: ifconfig address without a mask/width to become an error

2024-06-17 Thread Ed Maste
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 11:16, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > In case there is no EN, what is the process to add information about > issues like this to the release notes? Something like "known issues", > which those of us who read the release notes can stumble over and check? Great

Re: Heads-up: ifconfig address without a mask/width to become an error

2024-06-17 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 17. Jun 2024, at 20:34, Shawn Webb wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 10:54:29AM -0400, Ed Maste wrote: >> It is currently possible to specify an IPv4 address without a >> netmask/width to ifconfig or in rc.conf, e.g.: >> >>ifconfig_igb0="192.168.0.2" >> >> phk recently

Re: Heads-up: ifconfig address without a mask/width to become an error

2024-06-17 Thread Shawn Webb
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 10:54:29AM -0400, Ed Maste wrote: > It is currently possible to specify an IPv4 address without a > netmask/width to ifconfig or in rc.conf, e.g.: > > ifconfig_igb0="192.168.0.2" > > phk recently discovered[1] that ifconfig chose a poor netmask/width > when none was

Re: Heads-up: ifconfig address without a mask/width to become an error

2024-06-17 Thread Michael Gmelin
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 10:54:29 -0400 Ed Maste wrote: > It is currently possible to specify an IPv4 address without a > netmask/width to ifconfig or in rc.conf, e.g.: > > ifconfig_igb0="192.168.0.2" > > phk recently discovered[1] that ifconfig chose a poor netmask/width > when none was

Heads-up: ifconfig address without a mask/width to become an error

2024-06-17 Thread Ed Maste
It is currently possible to specify an IPv4 address without a netmask/width to ifconfig or in rc.conf, e.g.: ifconfig_igb0="192.168.0.2" phk recently discovered[1] that ifconfig chose a poor netmask/width when none was specified. This was not an intentional change in defaults but rather a

Heads up: Changes in VM image URLs

2024-06-16 Thread Colin Percival
Hi everyone, We currently publish a number of VM images on download.freebsd.org: * Generic VM images, with URLs like https://download.freebsd.org/snapshots/VM-IMAGES/15.0-CURRENT/amd64/20240613/FreeBSD-15.0-CURRENT-amd64-ufs-20240613-bb53f071e85a-270741.qcow2.xz

Heads up: lots of churn, nothing interesting will come of it (I hope)

2023-11-26 Thread Warner Losh
OK. I have pushed 4 series of commits. (1) remove sccs IDs by and large (a couple of exceptions where @(#) didn't mark an SCCS id). (2) remove if 0'd copyright strings. (3) Mechanical changes to most of the tree to cleanup style divots after these changes (and the $FreeBSD$ removal) (4) cdefs.h

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-17 Thread The Doctor
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:00:07AM +0100, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi Glen, > > > I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, > > installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race > > condition with which we have to live at the moment. > > Yes, and

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-17 Thread Jamie Landeg-Jones
Glen Barber wrote: > No. It merely suggests the release is not officially official yet. Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Jamie.

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-17 Thread Olivier Certner
Hi Glen, > I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, > installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race > condition with which we have to live at the moment. Yes, and given that, I don't think you did anything wrong. It seems that the race is the

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 09:22:52PM +, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > >

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-16 Thread Jamie Landeg-Jones
> Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > but"s. Foe a recent new build, I just went to the ftp site to grab the latest

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-16 Thread The Doctor
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:07:36AM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: > And if there is a reason to reissue a release, the update will reflect such. > > So to answer your latter question, yes. Unless it needs to be replaced. > > Glen > Sent from my phone. > Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > > >

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Glen Barber
And if there is a reason to reissue a release, the update will reflect such. So to answer your latter question, yes. Unless it needs to be replaced. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:38 PM, The Doctor wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Glen Barber
Thank you for that. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:17 PM, Rich Reynolds wrote: > > On 11/15/23 20:19, Pete Wright wrote: >>> On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: >>> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >>> >>> Either way,

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread The Doctor
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:30:30AM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 08:39:39AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +, Glen Barber

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Glen Barber
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 07:19:39PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: > > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. > > > > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Pete Wright
On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: The alternative would be to say nothing at all. Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights delaying

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Glen Barber
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 08:39:39AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread John Baldwin
On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +, Glen Barber wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +, Glen Barber wrote: We are

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-15 Thread Glen Barber
Well, today is your yesterday, so we might not be ready for another more tomorrows your time, yesterdays, my time. Or something. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 2:39 AM, matti k wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 + > Glen Barber

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread matti k
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 + Glen Barber wrote: > > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are > > > never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email > > > is intended for the general public of consumers of official > > > releases, not "yeah, but"s.

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > We are still waiting for a few

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread The Doctor
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +, Glen Barber wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before > > > the announcement of

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > > > > It should only be another day or so

Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread The Doctor
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +, Glen Barber wrote: > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > > It should only be another day or so before these things complete. > > Thank you for your understanding. >

[HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

2023-11-14 Thread Glen Barber
We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. It should only be another day or so before these things complete. Thank you for your understanding. Glen On behalf of: re@ signature.asc Description: PGP signature

HEADS-UP: stable/14 branched

2023-08-24 Thread Glen Barber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 No email was sent for the branch commit, presumably because I pushed the branch and did subsequent changes (i.e., version numbers, etc.) afterward. The stable/14 branch has been created, from where the remainder of the 14.0 series will live. Glen

HEADS UP: $FreeBSD$ Removed from main

2023-08-16 Thread Warner Losh
Greetings, I've just pushed the results that remove 31,035 instances of $FreeBSD$ from the main branch. >From this point out, we are effectively done with $FreeBSD$, though there's 4 places where $FreeBSD$ still exists in the tree: (1) In the contrib area, we have 621 remaining. I didn't remove

Heads-up: MAXCPU increasing shortly

2023-08-03 Thread Ed Maste
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 09:38, Ed Maste wrote: > > FreeBSD supports up to 256 CPU cores in the default kernel configuration > (on Tier-1 architectures). Systems with more than 256 cores are > available now, and will become increasingly common over FreeBSD 14’s > lifetime. The FreeBSD Foundation

Re: Heads up: s/u_intXX_t/uintXX_t/ in sys/cam

2023-07-24 Thread Warner Losh
I have just pushed this update into -current. It compiles and boots for me. It should be a giant nop. I plan on MFCing this in a few days unless there's unanticipated turbulence. I have not updated the SIM drivers because most of the u_intXX_t use in these drivers are not related to CAM

Heads up: vnet'ng of NFS server turned on

2023-02-18 Thread Rick Macklem
Commit ed03776ca7f4 enabled the NFSD_VNET, KRPC_VNET and KGSS_VNET macros. Kernels built with "options VIMAGE" now have a bunch of global variables used by the NFS server vnet'd. It is not quite ready to run the NFS server in a vnet prison. There are still a couple of patches in D37741 and D38371

Belated Heads Up: commits to add vnet macros to nfsd

2023-02-12 Thread Rick Macklem
Hi, Commit 7344856e3a6d was a large patch that added macros that will front end the vnet macros. These macros are null ops now, so they should not affect semantics. However, the code did change how things get initialized for the nfsd and that has already caused some breakage, that I think is now

Heads up: you need to rebuild all nfs modules from sources

2022-07-09 Thread Rick Macklem
Hi, Commits over the last couple of days and ones happening over the next few days change the internal KPI between the nfs modules (nfscommon.ko, nfscl.ko and nfsserver.ko). As such, after pulling an up to date main from the git repo you need to build all nfs modules from the new sources. I am

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-30 Thread Marcin Wojtas
Hi, pon., 24 sty 2022 o 20:48 Marek Zarychta napisał(a): > > Hello Marcin > W dniu 24.01.2022 o 19:43, Marcin Wojtas pisze: > > Hi Marek, > > > > pon., 24 sty 2022 o 08:17 Marek Zarychta > > napisał(a): > >> > >> W dniu 24.01.2022 o 07:42, Marcin Wojtas pisze: > >>> +freebsd-stable@ > >>> >

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-24 Thread Marek Zarychta
Hello Marcin W dniu 24.01.2022 o 19:43, Marcin Wojtas pisze: Hi Marek, pon., 24 sty 2022 o 08:17 Marek Zarychta napisał(a): W dniu 24.01.2022 o 07:42, Marcin Wojtas pisze: +freebsd-stable@ niedz., 23 sty 2022 o 11:36 Marcin Wojtas napisał(a): Hi, As of 396e9f259d962 the base system

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-24 Thread Marcin Wojtas
Hi Marek, pon., 24 sty 2022 o 08:17 Marek Zarychta napisał(a): > > W dniu 24.01.2022 o 07:42, Marcin Wojtas pisze: > > +freebsd-stable@ > > > > niedz., 23 sty 2022 o 11:36 Marcin Wojtas napisał(a): > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> As of 396e9f259d962 the base system binaries are now built as > >>

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-23 Thread Marek Zarychta
W dniu 24.01.2022 o 07:42, Marcin Wojtas pisze: +freebsd-stable@ niedz., 23 sty 2022 o 11:36 Marcin Wojtas napisał(a): Hi, As of 396e9f259d962 the base system binaries are now built as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit architectures. Thanks to that enabling ASLR

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-23 Thread Marcin Wojtas
+ freebsd-stable@, apologies for the noise. niedz., 23 sty 2022 o 11:36 Marcin Wojtas napisał(a): > > Hi, > > As of 396e9f259d962 the base system binaries are now built as > position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit architectures. > Thanks to that enabling ASLR can be done

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-23 Thread Marcin Wojtas
+freebsd-stable@ niedz., 23 sty 2022 o 11:36 Marcin Wojtas napisał(a): > > Hi, > > As of 396e9f259d962 the base system binaries are now built as > position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit architectures. > Thanks to that enabling ASLR can be done simply > by sysctls knobs

HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on stable/13

2022-01-23 Thread Marcin Wojtas
Hi, As of 396e9f259d962 the base system binaries are now built as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit architectures. Thanks to that enabling ASLR can be done simply by sysctls knobs when booting the kernel. If you track stable/13 and normally build WITHOUT_CLEAN you'll

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-12-10 Thread Mark Johnston
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 06:35:47PM +0100, Marcin Wojtas wrote: > Hi Daniel > > > pt., 10 gru 2021 o 10:16 Daniel O'Connor napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov 2021, at 09:00, Marcin Wojtas wrote: > > > As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout > > > Randomization) feature becomes

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-12-10 Thread Marcin Wojtas
Hi Daniel pt., 10 gru 2021 o 10:16 Daniel O'Connor napisał(a): > > > > > On 17 Nov 2021, at 09:00, Marcin Wojtas wrote: > > As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout > > Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit > > binaries by default. > > Firstly, thank your for your

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-12-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor via freebsd-current
> On 17 Nov 2021, at 09:00, Marcin Wojtas wrote: > As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout > Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit > binaries by default. Firstly, thank your for your efforts here, it is appreciated :) I am finding that the lang/sdcc port is

HEADS-UP: options VESA removal from x86 GENERIC

2021-11-27 Thread Ed Maste
As reported by Stefan Blachmann in a reply on freebsd-hackers[1], having `options VESA` compiled into the kernel or loaded as a module breaks suspend-resume with the nvidia driver. See PR 253733. The default console is provided by vt(4), which does not use the `options VESA` driver, which serves

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-21 Thread Ed Maste
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 at 20:00, Ed Maste wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 13:09, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > > > > The mkimg ones are a bit tricky, it seems the output is changed in > > each run. We may need a way to generate reproducible results.. > > Hopefully fixed by

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-20 Thread Ed Maste
On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 13:09, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > > The mkimg ones are a bit tricky, it seems the output is changed in > each run. We may need a way to generate reproducible results.. Hopefully fixed by 036af1053acd6cae68c5fb6bed30508f2e40be13.

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-19 Thread Kristof Provost
> On 18 Nov 2021, at 11:43, Marcin Wojtas wrote: > czw., 18 lis 2021 o 19:07 Li-Wen Hsu napisał(a): >> >>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 6:30 AM Marcin Wojtas wrote: >>> >>> As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout >>> Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit >>>

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-18 Thread Marcin Wojtas
Hi, czw., 18 lis 2021 o 19:07 Li-Wen Hsu napisał(a): > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 6:30 AM Marcin Wojtas wrote: > > > > As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout > > Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit > > binaries by default. > > > > Address Space Layout

Re: HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-18 Thread Li-Wen Hsu
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 6:30 AM Marcin Wojtas wrote: > > As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout > Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit > binaries by default. > > Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) is an exploit mitigation > technique implemented in the

HEADS-UP: ASLR for 64-bit executables enabled by default on main

2021-11-16 Thread Marcin Wojtas
As of b014e0f15bc7 the ASLR (Address Space Layout Randomization) feature becomes enabled for the all 64-bit binaries by default. Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) is an exploit mitigation technique implemented in the majority of modern operating systems. It involves randomly positioning

HEADS UP: intent to merge clang/llvm 13.0.0 the coming weekend

2021-11-09 Thread Dimitry Andric
Hi, This is a heads-up so that you are aware I'm intending to merge clang/llvm 13.0.0 the coming weekend, e.g. somewhere between Sat 2021-11-13 and Sun 2021-11-14. The source of the merge will be <https://github.com/DimitryAndric/freebsd-src/tree/llvm-13-update>, which I regularly s

Re: [HEADS UP] Rename of the vendor/openzfs branch

2021-06-08 Thread Li-Wen Hsu
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 7:45 PM Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > > Hello, > > As mentioned in the "OpenZFS imports, status update": > > https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-git/2021-June/13.html > > We're going to rename the current openzfs vendor branch, > vendor/openzfs, to

[HEADS UP] Rename of the vendor/openzfs branch

2021-06-08 Thread Li-Wen Hsu
Hello, As mentioned in the "OpenZFS imports, status update": https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-git/2021-June/13.html We're going to rename the current openzfs vendor branch, vendor/openzfs, to vendor/openzfs/legacy and import directly the master and zfs-2.1-release branches

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-03-01 Thread John Kennedy
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 09:40:54AM -0500, Shawn Webb wrote: > ... The point of ASLR is to combine it with W^X. Without W^X, ASLR makes > no sense. FreeBSD recently gained a W^X implementation that requires > opt-in. ... I'm not plugged into the right places to catch some of these things up

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-28 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 08:34:11PM -0800, Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > > But isn't it well-known that ASLR/ASR/any-related-buzzwork does not add > > any security, except imaginary? The only purpose of it is to have a > > check-list item ticked green. > > I don't know if I should parse this as

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-28 Thread Shawn Webb
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 10:29:14PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:34 PM Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > But isn't it well-known that ASLR/ASR/any-related-buzzwork does not add > > > any security, except imaginary? The only purpose of it is to have a > > > check-list

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-28 Thread Toomas Soome via freebsd-current
> On 28. Feb 2021, at 13:27, dmilith . wrote: > > First of all - ALSR is designed as mitigation for external attacks, > not internal ones (logged in user). > Second - Linux and FreeBSD both have weak implementations in > comparison to PAX-driven ones. Try attacking the system with > Grsecurity

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-28 Thread dmilith .
First of all - ALSR is designed as mitigation for external attacks, not internal ones (logged in user). Second - Linux and FreeBSD both have weak implementations in comparison to PAX-driven ones. Try attacking the system with Grsecurity or HardenedBSD (both use the strongest ASLR available AFAIK).

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-27 Thread Ihor Antonov
On 2021-02-27 22:29, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:34 PM Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > But isn't it well-known that ASLR/ASR/any-related-buzzwork does not add > > > any security, except imaginary? The only purpose of it is to have a > > > check-list item ticked green. > > >

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-27 Thread Warner Losh
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 9:34 PM Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > > But isn't it well-known that ASLR/ASR/any-related-buzzwork does not add > > any security, except imaginary? The only purpose of it is to have a > > check-list item ticked green. > > I don't know if I should parse this as sarcasm (or

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-27 Thread Ihor Antonov
> > But isn't it well-known that ASLR/ASR/any-related-buzzwork does not add > any security, except imaginary? The only purpose of it is to have a > check-list item ticked green. I don't know if I should parse this as sarcasm (or any other form of "humor") or is a serious statement? But this

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-27 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 08:32:26PM +0100, Gordon Bergling wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 08:57:55PM +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 07:34:03PM +0100, Gordon Bergling wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:58:07PM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > > > > As of 9a227a2fd642

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-26 Thread Gordon Bergling
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 08:57:55PM +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 07:34:03PM +0100, Gordon Bergling wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:58:07PM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > > > As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built > > > as

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-26 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 07:34:03PM +0100, Gordon Bergling wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:58:07PM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > > As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built > > as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit > > architectures. PIE

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-26 Thread Gordon Bergling
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 03:58:07PM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built > as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit > architectures. PIE executables are used in conjunction with address > randomization as a mitigation

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-26 Thread David Wolfskill
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 09:22:43PM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 19:23, John Kennedy wrote: > > > > Not sure if Ed Maste just wants to make sure that all the executables > > are rebuilt as PIE (vs hit-and-miss) or there is a sneaker corner-case that > > he knows about. > >

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-26 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 26 Feb 2021, at 03:22, Ed Maste wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 19:23, John Kennedy wrote: >> >> Not sure if Ed Maste just wants to make sure that all the executables >> are rebuilt as PIE (vs hit-and-miss) or there is a sneaker corner-case that >> he knows about. > > The issue is that

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 21:22:43 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 19:23, John Kennedy wrote: >> >> Not sure if Ed Maste just wants to make sure that all the executables >> are rebuilt as PIE (vs hit-and-miss) or there is a sneaker corner-case that >> he knows about. > >

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread Ed Maste
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 19:23, John Kennedy wrote: > > Not sure if Ed Maste just wants to make sure that all the executables > are rebuilt as PIE (vs hit-and-miss) or there is a sneaker corner-case that > he knows about. The issue is that without a clean build you may have some .o files left

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread Ed Maste
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 18:10, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > This details worries me. How compatible are PIE executables with > non-PIE executables? Can I run PIE executables on older systems? Can > I run older executables on a PIE system? There is no issue mixing PIE and non-PIE binaries,

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread John Kennedy
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:10:28AM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 15:58:07 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > > As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built > > as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit > > architectures.

Re: HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 25 February 2021 at 15:58:07 -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built > as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit > architectures. PIE executables are used in conjunction with address > randomization as a

HEADS-UP: PIE enabled by default on main

2021-02-25 Thread Ed Maste
As of 9a227a2fd642 (main-n245052) base system binaries are now built as position-independent executable (PIE) by default, for 64-bit architectures. PIE executables are used in conjunction with address randomization as a mitigation for certain types of security vulnerabilities. If you track

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-04 Thread Conrad Meyer
Typo: On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:25 PM Conrad Meyer wrote: > SHA1 has always, by design, been vulnerable to a 2^80 resource attack :-). 2^160 for a specific hash. 2^80 if you're just trying to find any collision. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-04 Thread Conrad Meyer
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Ryan Stone wrote: > FWIW, a coworker of mine had a little hobby of introducing commits > into our internal repro that had hashes that all started with > deadc0de. As I understand it, it was able to do this by adding an > bogus attribute with the right value to the

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-04 Thread Ryan Stone
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 3:44 PM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Shattered is less impressive when you take into account that you > can stuff as much much garbage into a PDF file as you need, without > affecting the files normal function. > > Compact data formats, formats which leave no wiggle-room and

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
John-Mark Gurney writes: > SHAttered[1] (2017) created two valid PDF documents which had the same > SHA-1 hash. The issue was that they were able to choose the entire > document. Shattered is less impressive when you take into account that you can stuff as much much garbage into a PDF

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-04 Thread John-Mark Gurney
RW wrote this message on Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 16:56 +: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:25:08 -0500 > grarpamp wrote: > > > > Is there any reason to think [bittorrent] insecure? > > > > Cost under $50k of compute to break sha-1, > > AFAIK you cannot break SHA-1 in the sense of creating data that

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-02 Thread grarpamp
>> Though it can help attribute that to a source, Meaning to source 'account', vs say weak old CVSROOT that any could text edit on 200 account box, claim bitrot, etc. Whether inspiration came from the pet dog's bug report is moot, more secure systems narrow into accounts that would then be

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
grarpamp writes: > > No amount of cryptography can or will protect against that. > > Though it can help attribute that to a source, No. You would end up with the committer saying "it came in as a bug-report, I looked at it, and it looked sensible so I committed it." Unless you are

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-02 Thread Mark Linimon
Folks, please change the Subject: line here. This has now become a thread of only tangiental interest to a typical FreeBSD developer (in this case, typified by me :-) ) mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-02 Thread grarpamp
> No amount of cryptography can or will protect against that. Though it can help attribute that to a source, else ignore rainbow books and go back to telnet, root password 'root', CVS, no backups, logs, etc. > As interesting as this thread has been (not!) Contrare. Equally as interesting as

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
As interesting as this thread has been (not!), let me remind everybody that the cheapest, easiest and most efficient and profitable way for a Nation State Actor to trojan the FreeBSD code-base, is to assign an employee to a deniable job, and have them become a FreeBSD committer. No amount of

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread Shawn Webb
On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 08:37:14AM +0800, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 4:25 AM Christian Weisgerber > wrote: > > > > On 2021-01-01, Shawn Webb wrote: > > > > > This is why I asked FreeBSD to provide anonymous read-only ssh:// > > > support for git. I'm very grateful they support

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread Li-Wen Hsu
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 4:25 AM Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2021-01-01, Shawn Webb wrote: > > > This is why I asked FreeBSD to provide anonymous read-only ssh:// > > support for git. I'm very grateful they support it. > > > > One thing that I need to do with the HardenedBSD infrastructure

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread RW
On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:25:08 -0500 grarpamp wrote: > > Is there any reason to think [bittorrent] insecure? > > Cost under $50k of compute to break sha-1, AFAIK you cannot break SHA-1 in the sense of creating data that matches a specific hash. What you can do is create a collision between

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2021-01-01, Shawn Webb wrote: > This is why I asked FreeBSD to provide anonymous read-only ssh:// > support for git. I'm very grateful they support it. > > One thing that I need to do with the HardenedBSD infrastructure is > publish on our site the ssh pubkeys of the server (both RSA and >

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2021-01-01 Thread Shawn Webb
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 09:25:08PM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > > There is already HTTPS to protect the "authenticity" of the magnet > > link. > > No. FreeBSD fails to publish signed fingerprints of their TLS pubkeys, > therefore users can't pin them down, therefore any MITM can bypass > CA game and

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-31 Thread grarpamp
> There is already HTTPS to protect the "authenticity" of the magnet > link. No. FreeBSD fails to publish signed fingerprints of their TLS pubkeys, therefore users can't pin them down, therefore any MITM can bypass CA game and MITM attack users at will, feed them bogus infohash, isos, git repo

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-31 Thread RW
On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:39:08 -0800 John-Mark Gurney wrote: > grarpamp wrote this message on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 00:55 -0500: > > > signatures of the magnet links > > > > Signing torrent.asc, with stronger or even same hash as BT > > protocol, still serve purpose of authenticate torrent file

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-31 Thread John-Mark Gurney
grarpamp wrote this message on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 00:55 -0500: > > signatures of the magnet links > > Signing torrent.asc, with stronger or even same hash as BT > protocol, still serve purpose of authenticate torrent file back > to a signer to the degree therein, caveat their platform security,

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-29 Thread grarpamp
>> SHA-256 arrives, if you look at the git history. > git's SHA-256 [...] requiring a super new git version to even test it out. It's "in" current release 2.30.0 and before, duly caveated as experimental and not fully featured yet... git-init(1) --object-format= Specify the

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-29 Thread Chris
On 2020-12-29 20:59, Chris wrote: On 2020-12-29 16:46, John-Mark Gurney wrote: Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 22:04 +0100: |SolarWinds supply chain attack, being able to smuggle a modified file |into a git repo, say an OS's build server, such that the tools don't

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-29 Thread Chris
On 2020-12-29 16:46, John-Mark Gurney wrote: Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 22:04 +0100: |SolarWinds supply chain attack, being able to smuggle a modified file |into a git repo, say an OS's build server, such that the tools don't |know the tree is modified is a

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-29 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 22:04 +0100: > |SolarWinds supply chain attack, being able to smuggle a modified file > |into a git repo, say an OS's build server, such that the tools don't > |know the tree is modified is a real problem... > > SHA-256 arrives, if

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-29 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
John-Mark Gurney wrote in <20201229011939.gu31...@funkthat.com>: |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 17:24 +0100: |>|Then there's also the point that the repo is (looks like it) using |>|SHA-1 hashes, which are effectively broken, so depending upon them |>|to validate

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-28 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 6:19 PM John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 17:24 +0100: > > |Then there's also the point that the repo is (looks like it) using > > |SHA-1 hashes, which are effectively broken, so depending upon them > > |to validate the

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-28 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote this message on Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 17:24 +0100: > |Then there's also the point that the repo is (looks like it) using > |SHA-1 hashes, which are effectively broken, so depending upon them > |to validate the tree is questionable anyways. > > git uses the hardened SHA-1

Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD src repo transitioning to git this weekend

2020-12-28 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Kurt Jaeger wrote this message on Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 13:15 +0100: > Hi! > > > It's also hard to collect ALL the keys of the devs at any point in > > time to decide if that key is authorized to sign a commit in the > > repo... > > We do have most of the keys in docs/share/pgpkeys/ plus history.

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