Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-21 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > > the discussion somehow diverted away from original idea... > > as i'm not politically correct person at all, i say that single report is > not enough... I'd second this report any time, if this is needed. There should be no whitewashi

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-20 Thread Sulev-Madis Silber
the discussion somehow diverted away from original idea... as i'm not politically correct person at all, i say that single report is not enough... it doesn't matter if legit or troll... it's also quite wrong if case gets special attention just because offended person adds that (s)he's discriminate

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-20 Thread rainer
Am 2019-05-20 11:33, schrieb Igor Mozolevsky: So you think a discussion on whether it is appropriate that CoC Ctte restricts freedom of expression is bikeshedding? Thank you for your valuable contribution! IMO, the CoC was not meant to solve, decide or even regulate discussion about decades-

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-20 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
So you think a discussion on whether it is appropriate that CoC Ctte restricts freedom of expression is bikeshedding? Thank you for your valuable contribution! -- Igor M. On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 06:23, Daniel Braniss wrote: > > BIKE SHED SYNDROME? > > danny > PS: intentionally top posting :-) >

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-20 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 09:20, David Chisnall wrote: > > On 19 May 2019, at 20:43, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > > > the best > > explanation of democracy I have ever heard was: "two wolves and a > > sheep deciding what to have for dinner!" > > If you believe that this quote in any way supports your ar

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-20 Thread David Chisnall
On 19 May 2019, at 20:43, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > the best > explanation of democracy I have ever heard was: "two wolves and a > sheep deciding what to have for dinner!" If you believe that this quote in any way supports your argument, then I would suggest that you work through the game theo

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Daniel Braniss
BIKE SHED SYNDROME? danny PS: intentionally top posting :-) > On 19 May 2019, at 22:43, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 20:16, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:34 AM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > > >

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 20:16, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:34 AM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: >> >> On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: >> > Yes. There will always be limits, just like in real life. You can't tell >> > fire in a theater, and claim freedom of expressio

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:34 AM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote: > > > > > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > > > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > >

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Adam
On Sun, May 19, 2019, 12:42 PM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote: > > > > > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > > > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > > >

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote: > > > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > > > … freedom of expression … End of discussion. > > > > No offence in

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:27, Graham Perrin wrote: > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > … freedom of expression … End of discussion. > > No offence intended. I was speed-reading (waiting for a browser to > launch) and

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote: > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > … freedom of expression … End of discussion. > > No offence intended. I was speed-reading (waiting for a browser to > launch) a

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-19 Thread Graham Perrin
I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but these six words did make me chuckle: > … freedom of expression … End of discussion. No offence intended. I was speed-reading (waiting for a browser to launch) and those six words leapt out at me :-) Wishing you all a peace

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-18 Thread Adam
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:12 AM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > This is a typical example of reframing a problem in one side's > favourable terms. Freedom of expression is a fundamental freedom as > recognised by the United Nations, and is guaranteed by the highest > courts of any civilised society. Att

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-18 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 00:10, wrote: > > Igor et al, > > Instead of debating definitions of hate speech, free speech, and trying to > discover intent, I suggest we focus on right relationships. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14THPoc4-4 This is a typical example of reframing a problem in

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-17 Thread v
Igor et al, Instead of debating definitions of hate speech, free speech, and trying to discover intent, I suggest we focus on right relationships. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14THPoc4-4 Vester On Fri, May 17, 2019, at 12:08 AM, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 18:28, Igor

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-16 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 18:28, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Friday, 10 May 2019, FreeBSD Core Team Secretary > wrote: > > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of > > Conduct review committee, ar

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Friday, 10 May 2019, FreeBSD Core Team Secretary < core-secret...@freebsd.org> wrote: > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of > Conduct review committee, are investigating the matter and will

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread Julian H. Stacey
v...@researchbsd.org wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > > On Friday, May 10, 2019, FreeBSD Core Team Secretary < > > core-secret...@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > > > on social media by a FreeBSD

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread v
On Sun, May 12, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > On Friday, May 10, 2019, FreeBSD Core Team Secretary < > core-secret...@freebsd.org> wrote: > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code o

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread Sulev-Madis Silber
On Friday, May 10, 2019, FreeBSD Core Team Secretary < core-secret...@freebsd.org> wrote: > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of > Conduct review committee, are investigating the matter and will

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread Greg V
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 03:16, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote: FreeBSD Core Team Secretary wrote on 2019/05/10 03:24: The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of Conduct review committe

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-12 Thread Marko Zec
On Sun, 12 May 2019 03:16:22 +0200 Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote: > FreeBSD Core Team Secretary wrote on 2019/05/10 03:24: > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements > > made on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the > > Code of Conduct revi

Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts

2019-05-11 Thread Miroslav Lachman
FreeBSD Core Team Secretary wrote on 2019/05/10 03:24: The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of Conduct review committee, are investigating the matter and will decide what action to take. Both the C