Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Adrian Chadd
FreeBSD doesn't implement OFDM in the kernel. The various chipsets implement OFDM, not FreeBSD. There's no "software" OFDM. The 802.11 chipsets out there take care of it, not FreeBSD. Adrian On 7 March 2011 04:42, Etienne Robillard wrote: > On 06/03/11 12:36 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 12:36 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 06 March 2011 18:19:31 Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> On 06/03/11 11:58 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >> > >> yes, the difference with 'software OFDM' and hardware OFDM - as in >> run(4) - is the latter >> exploits 'objects' an

OFDM kernel (Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?)

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 12:46 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > On 06/03/11 12:36 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > >> On Sunday 06 March 2011 18:19:31 Etienne Robillard wrote: >> >> >>> On 06/03/11 11:58 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >>> yes, the difference with 'soft

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 12:36 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 06 March 2011 18:19:31 Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> On 06/03/11 11:58 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >> > >> yes, the difference with 'software OFDM' and hardware OFDM - as in >> run(4) - is the latter >> exploits 'objects' an

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 06 March 2011 18:19:31 Etienne Robillard wrote: > On 06/03/11 11:58 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > yes, the difference with 'software OFDM' and hardware OFDM - as in > run(4) - is the latter > exploits 'objects' and 'peoples' as subcarriers units with > "bi-directional data" when > sof

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 11:58 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: >> and finally I almost forgot... >> >> there seems to be another aspect of false security in OFDM design in >> what bi-directional IIP packets could be transfered out-of-band using >> ELF/VLF ranges >> and reverse FFT functions.. >> > > My poi

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 11:46 AM, David Wolfskill wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 11:31:00AM -0500, Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> On 06/03/11 09:49 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >>> OFDM is part of 11g, 11a, and 11n (2/5ghz.) >>> >>> I don't understand why you're asking about it in a security context. >>

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 11:31 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > On 06/03/11 09:49 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> OFDM is part of 11g, 11a, and 11n (2/5ghz.) >> >> I don't understand why you're asking about it in a security context. >> >> >> Adrian >> >> > and finally I almost forgot... there seems to be

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 09:49 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > OFDM is part of 11g, 11a, and 11n (2/5ghz.) > > I don't understand why you're asking about it in a security context. > > > Adrian > Approaching security can be seen with onion paradigm: True paranoids will want to have multiple layers of security wheth

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
I'm no expert in Wifi or in FFT so I'm forwarding your reply to the list hoping someone with experience with FFT could share lights on OFDM uses of FFT functions below the 30khz range... In other words could FreeBSD be used to control the electromagnetic energy input from out-of-band VLF/ELF waves

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
. > https://gthc.org/investigations/OFDM/72_armstrong_ofdm.pdf > > That paper is a basic paper. COFDM is being used just about everywhere now. > OFDM was used in the Telebit modems of years gone by. To this day > (last I checked) it is superiour to the v32.bis format used today on > third world pho

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
I would appreciate if you try not to disrupt this thread anymore on freebsd-current. Thank you. On 06/03/11 10:42 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > I've moved this off of freebsd-current into private e-mail folks. > > >> Twisted pair? Sorry I don't understand this... Wireless USB dongles are >>

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Diane Bruce
I've moved this off of freebsd-current into private e-mail folks. > > Twisted pair? Sorry I don't understand this... Wireless USB dongles are ... > This is out-of-scope but I respect your opinion to call me a name attempting It is not an ad hominem when it is factually true. These are not chem

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2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
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Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
> No. It's twisted pair so will not radiate that far, it's not an antenna. > DSL is sent via twisted pair as well and should not radiate very far. Twisted pair? Sorry I don't understand this... Wireless USB dongles are being operating as EMF/RF devices and forcingly will radiate with objects clos

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Diane Bruce
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:56:05AM -0500, Etienne Robillard wrote: > On 06/03/11 09:33 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > On Sunday 06 March 2011 15:23:02 Etienne Robillard wrote: > > .. > > Yes, from a security perspective, could radiance from ELF/VLF operating > devices as > "ethernet-class s

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Diane Bruce
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 03:33:32PM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 06 March 2011 15:23:02 Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Hi, as the subject line implies, can someone explains why OFDM (Orthogonal > > Frequency Division Multiplexing) is required for running run(4) ? Is there > > any (saf

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 10:01 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > OpenBSD has driver support for OFDM chips. Anything that speaks 11a, 11g or > 11n == OFDM. > > You'd have to speak to an RF related person about your definition of > harmful. I mean, think about it - 802.11 devices are supposed to give off > EMR that a re

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Adrian Chadd
OpenBSD has driver support for OFDM chips. Anything that speaks 11a, 11g or 11n == OFDM. You'd have to speak to an RF related person about your definition of harmful. I mean, think about it - 802.11 devices are supposed to give off EMR that a receiver can decode. So your question about whether OFD

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
On 06/03/11 09:33 AM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 06 March 2011 15:23:02 Etienne Robillard wrote: > >> Hi, as the subject line implies, can someone explains why OFDM (Orthogonal >> Frequency Division Multiplexing) is required for running run(4) ? Is there >> any (safer) alternative to

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Adrian Chadd
OFDM is part of 11g, 11a, and 11n (2/5ghz.) I don't understand why you're asking about it in a security context. Adrian On 6 March 2011 22:23, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Hi, as the subject line implies, can someone explains why OFDM (Orthogonal > Frequency Division Multiplexing) is required f

Re: can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 06 March 2011 15:23:02 Etienne Robillard wrote: > Hi, as the subject line implies, can someone explains why OFDM (Orthogonal > Frequency Division Multiplexing) is required for running run(4) ? Is there > any (safer) alternative to OFDM? > > If not, could the FreeBSD security team verify

can somebody explains OFDM in FreeBSD?

2011-03-06 Thread Etienne Robillard
Hi, as the subject line implies, can someone explains why OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) is required for running run(4) ? Is there any (safer) alternative to OFDM? If not, could the FreeBSD security team verify the the safety of OFDM derived drivers (in particular wireless ether