Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 01:25:11PM +1300, David Preece wrote: > At 15:37 22/12/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter > >than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. > > Sorry, don't have time to reply to this properly. > > The main evil of ssh

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Crist J. Clark
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Re: Julian's World tour

2000-12-22 Thread Will Andrews
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:30:56PM +, Aled Morris wrote: > __--_|\ Julian Elischer > / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ( OZ) World tour 2000 > ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Budapest > v > > Is that map strictly correct? Or is Budapest also a suburb of Perth? I

Re: KB problemo.

2000-12-22 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Preece writes: : At 17:00 22/12/00 -0500, you wrote: : >On a reboot I get : >bp, then keyboard not found or keyboard error. So, yes : >as mentioned just recently on this list, hard switches are _BAD_. : : So the keyboard controller's toast, is

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 3:37 PM -0800 12/22/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Thank you for your attention. > >Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. >The talk schedule is posted on: >http://www.svbug.com/events/ >I've already circulated this message to the OpenBSD >'tech' mailing list and the NetBSD 'securi

Re: KB problemo.

2000-12-22 Thread Mike Smith
> At 17:00 22/12/00 -0500, you wrote: > >On a reboot I get > >bp, then keyboard not found or keyboard error. So, yes > >as mentioned just recently on this list, hard switches are _BAD_. > > So the keyboard controller's toast, is that what we're saying? Presumably > you've tried c

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Chris BeHanna
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, David Preece wrote: > At 15:37 22/12/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter than say > >telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. > > Sorry, don't have time to reply to this properly. > > The main evil of ssh is that server authe

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001222 16:33] wrote: > On 23 Dec 2000, at 13:25, David Preece wrote: > > > At 15:37 22/12/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter > > >than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. > > > > Sorry, don't have

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Dan Langille
On 23 Dec 2000, at 13:25, David Preece wrote: > At 15:37 22/12/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter > >than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. > > Sorry, don't have time to reply to this properly. > > The main evil of ssh is that server

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread David Preece
At 15:37 22/12/00 -0800, you wrote: >The question asked is: why you believe ssh is beter >than say telnet. Or what advantages SSH has in general. Sorry, don't have time to reply to this properly. The main evil of ssh is that server authentication is not enforced, making mounting a man-in-the-m

Re: New netgraph features?

2000-12-22 Thread Julian Elischer
John Smith wrote: > > Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I may not have caught the drift here, but if you send meta-data > >across the net, wouldn't some kind of authentication be needed? > > Yes, It must be. This is probably the next-in-thread request for > comments/suggestions. I'

Re: Julian's World tour

2000-12-22 Thread Julian Elischer
Aled Morris wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Julian Elischer wrote: > > __--_|\ Julian Elischer > / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ( OZ) World tour 2000 > ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Budapest > v > > Is that map strictly correct? Or is Budapest also a suburb of

Re: KB problemo.

2000-12-22 Thread David Preece
At 17:00 22/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >On a reboot I get >bp, then keyboard not found or keyboard error. So, yes >as mentioned just recently on this list, hard switches are _BAD_. So the keyboard controller's toast, is that what we're saying? Presumably you've tried connecting the

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
> > Note that almost surely you won't be able to boot from that disk. > > > Note also that if you have bad luck you can physically break the floppy drive > doing this :( if so, that will also happen with the '1480' format, which uses the same 82 tracks. Fact is, any decent drive is not supposed

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
> >On Friday, December 22, 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. ... > p.s.: That said, I'm not going to the talk, because I'm not sure I know > who this guy is who wants to give it, so I distrust him. http://www.svbug.com/events/ reports the na

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Peter Seebach
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Costello writes: >On Friday, December 22, 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. > If you don't know anything about it, why do you claim it's >evil? I think it's safe to assume that anything you don't underst

Re: ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread Chris Costello
On Friday, December 22, 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thank you for your attention. > > Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. If you don't know anything about it, why do you claim it's evil? -- +---+--+ | Chris Costello| I m

ssh - are you nuts?!?

2000-12-22 Thread opentrax
Thank you for your attention. Next month I'm giving a talk about the evils of SSH. The talk schedule is posted on: http://www.svbug.com/events/ I've already circulated this message to the OpenBSD 'tech' mailing list and the NetBSD 'security' mailing list. Now, I've like to hear from the FreeBSD

Re: Pentium 4

2000-12-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
> The Linux issue was actually more stupid than that; Linux won't run on a > CPU it doesn't recognise. FreeBSD will only refuse to run on a CPU it > recognises as incapable (since that is a much smaller set). actually, back in 1.1.5 times, i had a kernel which did not have cpu I586_CPU in the

Re: Pentium 4

2000-12-22 Thread Mike Smith
> Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > Is there now support for the Pentium 4 in FreeBSD?? > > > > We've always run on the P4. > > > > > If so, is there an option such as CPUCLASS 786 in the Kernel?? > > > > No, it's still a 686. > > Basically, there are 3 possible issues for Pentium4: > > - higher cl

Re: Pentium 4

2000-12-22 Thread Sergey Babkin
Mike Smith wrote: > > > Is there now support for the Pentium 4 in FreeBSD?? > > We've always run on the P4. > > > If so, is there an option such as CPUCLASS 786 in the Kernel?? > > No, it's still a 686. Basically, there are 3 possible issues for Pentium4: - higher clock frequency (also for n

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:52:52AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Hey. > > > > Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single > > 1720K image there. > > you must fdformat /dev/fd0.1720 (check syntax) first, otherwise > the write fails when it hits the first sector (sec.19

KB problemo.

2000-12-22 Thread Paul Halliday
Hi. Off topic, but I figured my best chance for some input would be from here. <-- I am sure most of you shudder upon hearing this My gateway is switched with one of my desktops ie. monitor / keyboard. Unfortunately yesterday when I switched to check some stuff out I

Re: [Re: New netgraph features?]

2000-12-22 Thread Jack Rusher
John Smith wrote: > > loose something, if we, say, create special node > for 'netgraph tunneling' (so that it may ot may not I would like to see netgraph used to facilitate shared coherent interface support for FreeBSD (very valuable for clustering). Does anyone have an opinion on the difficu

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-22 Thread Drew Eckhardt
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Exactly the same in Europe, only the sharing parts are new for me. >The difference seems to be: >The problem is that in the US, it is legal to override this with the >licensing conditions. In Europe this right is inalienable. Some courts

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Alexander Prohorenko
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 09:43:35AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Thank you, your advise was very helpfull. However, I supposed to boot > > from it, but didn't get anyting except the FreeBSD BOOT loader. That's > > bad. I miss about 30KB on a usual fd1440 diskette to run my PicoBSD > > build on,

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alexander Prohorenko writes: >Hey. > >Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single >1720K image there. Did you format the floppy for it ? Try fdwrite -d /dev/rfd0.1720 -f flogw-4000.bin That will format, write, read & compare for

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:52:52AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single > > > 1720K image there. > > you must fdformat /dev/fd0.1720 (check syntax) first, otherwise > > the write fails when it hits the first sector (sec.19 track 0

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Alexander Prohorenko
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 08:52:52AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single > > 1720K image there. > you must fdformat /dev/fd0.1720 (check syntax) first, otherwise > the write fails when it hits the first sector (sec.19 track 0) which >

Re: A bug in mmap?

2000-12-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* G. Adam Stanislav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001222 09:30] wrote: > I think I have just discovered a bug... (FreeBSD 3.1). > > Here is the scenario: The program (I have written) opens a file as O_RDWR, > then uses mmap with PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE and MAP_SHARED. It works on > the data, optionally red

A bug in mmap?

2000-12-22 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
I think I have just discovered a bug... (FreeBSD 3.1). Here is the scenario: The program (I have written) opens a file as O_RDWR, then uses mmap with PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE and MAP_SHARED. It works on the data, optionally reduces the file size, then unmaps and closes it. Everything works fine as

Re: fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
> Hey. > > Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single > 1720K image there. you must fdformat /dev/fd0.1720 (check syntax) first, otherwise the write fails when it hits the first sector (sec.19 track 0) which is supposed to be there but is not Note that almost surely

Re: New netgraph features?

2000-12-22 Thread Louis A. Mamakos
> Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I may not have caught the drift here, but if you send meta-data > >across the net, wouldn't some kind of authentication be needed? > > Yes, It must be. This is probably the next-in-thread request for > comments/suggestions. I'm still not sure if t

fd1720

2000-12-22 Thread Alexander Prohorenko
Hey. Did anybody suceed with fd1720 flopies ? I couldn't write any single 1720K image there. su-2.03# dd if=flogw-4000.bin of=/dev/rfd0.1720 dd: /dev/rfd0.1720: Input/output error 19+0 records in 18+0 records out 9216 bytes transferred in 3.377621 secs (2729 bytes/sec) Should I do anything sp

Re: New netgraph features?

2000-12-22 Thread John Smith
Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I may not have caught the drift here, but if you send meta-data >across the net, wouldn't some kind of authentication be needed? Yes, It must be. This is probably the next-in-thread request for comments/suggestions. I'm still not sure if the whole thi

Software Patents. Was Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-22 Thread Peter Mutsaers
>> "Julian" == Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs muc de <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In Europe, software >> patents do not exist and cannot be granted. Julian> Wrong ! Sadly ! That's the old simple theoretical world I Julian> learnt about back in University in the late 70's, it Julian>

Re: New netgraph features?

2000-12-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I may not have caught the drift here, but if you send meta-data across the net, wouldn't some kind of authentication be needed ? Poul-Henning In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Archie Cobbs writes: >John Smith writes: >> Well, may be I didn't said exactly what I wanted to. >> If we use say, ksocke

Julian's World tour

2000-12-22 Thread Aled Morris
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Julian Elischer wrote: __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( OZ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Budapest v Is that map strictly correct? Or is Budapest also a suburb of Perth? Aled To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Trouble with lseek

2000-12-22 Thread G. Adam Stanislav
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 10:01:04AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >You should use SYS_stat or SYS_fstat Thanks, will do. Adam -- Roma non uno die aedificata est To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

anyone want to learn XML / work on FreshPorts2?

2000-12-22 Thread Dan Langille
I plan to parse the cvs-all messages into an XML log. The first stage is to create an XML template. This template will be used by any source tree which wishes to input data into FreshPorts2. But for now, we'll concentrate on cvs-all from FreeBSD. If anyone is interested in giving this a go

[q] MCSI PromDisk

2000-12-22 Thread Alex Prohorenko
Hello guys. I'm looking for getting in touch with somebody, who has got some experience with MCSI' PromDisk 32MB under FreeBSD. I'd like to ask some questions about it. Thank you. -- Alexander Prohorenko, Alkar Teleport To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freeb

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-22 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
"SteveB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Trouble is there is no consistency in the rulings. Hardware decisions > in general are mirrors of software cases. Hardware reverse > engineering tends to be legal. But with software they use Clean > programmer, Dirty programmer. In other words you can write

Auguri !

2000-12-22 Thread Francesco Zerbinati
Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo We wish you Merry Christmas  and all the best for the new year     dott. Francesco Zerbinati Redazione Tecnica    L'Informatore Agrario    (Orticoltura, Meccanica, I

Re: Trouble with lseek

2000-12-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "G. Adam Stanislav" writes: >I am trying to determine the size of a file passed as a command line >argument. I am using SYS_lseek. Here is the code up to that point: You should use SYS_stat or SYS_fstat -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMA

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-22 Thread Marco van de Voort
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Trouble is there is no consistency in the rulings. > > United States Code Title 17 Chapter 12 Section 1201 Subsection (f) > > My basic interpretation of this is, if you legally own a copy of the > software (firmware is software), you ca