Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Wes Peters
Bill Fumerola wrote: so this list would be controlled by those who can make changes to the FreeBSD web site, right? well, then lets start the list up: $1,000 - in the list $2,000 - I'll bold your entry $2,000 - I'll put your entry at the top And for a measly

panic when returning error on MOD_LOAD

2001-07-09 Thread Eugene L. Vorokov
Hello, I'm pretty confused with the fact that kernel panics when my module's event handler returns something greater than zero on MOD_LOAD. I wanted module to refuse to load when it can't find it's config file, so I thought I can return error code and it will not be loaded, and behaviour of

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:42:58AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: I mean, Warner- you're right, but, well, I've been using tar to copy systems for the last 5 years for *BSD, and, well, it really works best for me. But you're replying to a call for advice -- you did not prefix your advice that it

Re: panic when returning error on MOD_LOAD

2001-07-09 Thread Dima Dorfman
Eugene L. Vorokov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I'm pretty confused with the fact that kernel panics when my module's event handler returns something greater than zero on MOD_LOAD. I wanted module to refuse to load when it can't find it's config file, so I thought I can return error

Re: deny this

2001-07-09 Thread Ben Smithurst
Mustafa N. Deeb wrote: how can I tell sendmail to deny this MAIL From: SIZE=1926 250 ... Sender ok 1. This is off-topic for freebsd-hackers. 2. Something like `killall sendmail' or `halt' might stop sendmail accepting such commands. 3. Why would you want to reject perfectly

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Doug Russell
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Matthew Emmerton wrote: Richard Hodges wrote: I'm not sure how much of a difference the certificate would make, as far as import duties goes. I live in Canada (Toronto, Ontario), and accoriding ... duty, 7% GST, 8% provincial tax, plus a $5.00 handling charge by

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Doug Russell
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Wes Peters wrote: customer service. Who knows, we might even get a few local shops to pre- install FreeBSD on a machine or two, with their own FreeBSD discs thrown in. It could happen. Heh.. We already do. :) I'm getting quite good at convincing small shops that

Re: deny this

2001-07-09 Thread Bernd Walter
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:54:01AM +0200, Mustafa N. Deeb wrote: how can I tell sendmail to deny this MAIL From: SIZE=1926 250 ... Sender ok You shouldn't! An empty envelope sender is used in bounced mails and blocking would reject all error informations. It is empty because it doesn't

Re: Unable to run linux unace (fwd)

2001-07-09 Thread Roman Shterenzon
Hi, Could someone please shed some light on this issue? Thank you very much in advance, --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:01:02 +0300

Re: Installworld failure!

2001-07-09 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 09:13:08PM +, John Toon wrote: Hi, Ack, make installworld failed! The Makefile seems broken: Dionysus# make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.281 for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep install ln make makewhatis mtree mv perl

Re: Installworld failure!

2001-07-09 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:58:00PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 09:13:08PM +, John Toon wrote: Hi, Ack, make installworld failed! The Makefile seems broken: Dionysus# make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.281 for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown

Re: kernel panic when trying to use init's address space

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Eugene L. Vorokov wrote: Hello, Some time ago I was asking about I/O in kernel mode when I don't have struct proc to use syscalls. Actually I just wanted my kld to read it's config file on load. Terry told me it's tricky, and I was thinking about possible workarounds. I decided to try

NAI Labs Announces DARPA-Funded FreeBSD Security Initiative

2001-07-09 Thread Robert Watson
information on NAI Labs, please see: http://www.nailabs.com/ For more information on the CBOSS initiative, please see: http://opensource.nailabs.com/news/20010709-cboss.html http://opensource.nailabs.com/initiatives/cboss/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Bsdguru
In a message dated 07/08/2001 9:11:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:29:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luckily, with this post to the mailing list you can join the ranks of doing nothing positive for the project. Congrats!

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Wes Peters wrote: Yes, all of the above are bad, and they're a sign of an even worse problem. FreeBSD has done well for the past 8 years due in large part because it an energetic and persuasive product manager in the person of Jordan K. Hubbard pushing, cajoling, and badgering the CD-ROM

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Nik Clayton wrote: The thorny question of What do they have to include and still call it FreeBSD? is resolved by saying that any FreeBSD distribution must include, as a minimum, the contents of the mini ISO (including sysinstall). Anyone that wants to include an alternative installation

more on latency

2001-07-09 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
I think I found the reason that my FreeBSD box is performing so poorly as a NATing router. When I do an ipnat -l to see what active connections are there on the router, a list about 3 pages long (using ipnat -l | more) appears. I think maybe it's having trouble because for every packet coming in

Re: more on latency

2001-07-09 Thread Julian Elischer
that shouldn't take TOO long.. It's possible however that it takes a while to be scheduled. you might try puting natd in the real-time scheduling queue. On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: I think I found the reason that my FreeBSD box is performing so poorly as a NATing router.

Re: Installworld failure!

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
John Toon wrote: Hi, Ack, make installworld failed! The Makefile seems broken: Dionysus# make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.281 for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep install ln make makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl test true uname wc zic;

Aaron Smith?

2001-07-09 Thread Jason LaBarbera
Does anyone know where Aaron Smith has landed? Thanks, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sergey Babkin writes: If the FreeBSD Foundation is an existing entity now, maybe we can just change the license for the CD images to not for resale unless the distributor signs an agreement with the Foundation ? Why on _earth_

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Jordan Hubbard wrote: Erm, I really think that some folks are missing the point with all this. It's not up to the foundation to determine how the release bits are distributed nor has it ever been, just as it's not up to the release engineer or the FreeBSD core team to determine how the

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Sergey Babkin wrote: It's not about protecting. It's about financiallly stimulating more organizations to fund developers to work on FreeBSD. The ISO image distribution rights don't have to be exchanged for money, they may just as well (and better) be exchanged for such support. The most

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Bill Moran
Terry Lambert wrote: Historically, you've always held that the CDROM must boot to sysinstall. As the software's daddy, I can see why you'd want that; but your baby is ugly. I don't see anyone stepping up to replace it any time soon, so long as you insist that they not be able to make

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-09 Thread Steven Ames
Don't use tar. It loses devices, can't handle holey files well and a number of other minor clitches. Use dump instead. Hrm... what about 'rsync'? Does it suffer from the same problems as 'tar'? I use rsync a lot because its incremental. This is off topic from migrating to a new disk, but I

Re: Create a FreeBSD bootable CD

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Chojin wrote: Hello, Someone could tell me how create a bootable FreeBSD CD ? I cannot use a floppy image because it is too small to put my kernel (1.5 Mo), and I cant create a 2.88 Mb floppy image (as I don't have the drive). Then how create a freebsd boot image which use the real CD

(a bit offtopic) KDE2.1.1 install

2001-07-09 Thread Lakey, Jeremy # IHTUL
I'm running a p233 with 128mgs of ram, and KDE 2.1.1 install has been compiling ALL MORNING! Is this unusual?

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:09:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most obvious way to do this, IMO, is to make FreeBSD more accessiblle for use in commercial ventures, be it embedded systems or as a backdrop for commercial software using it as a platform on which some company

Re: (a bit offtopic) KDE2.1.1 install

2001-07-09 Thread Kent Stewart
I'm running a p233 with 128mgs of ram, and KDE 2.1.1 install has been compiling ALL MORNING Is this unusual? First, this is a question for -questions. You shouldn't send HTML. No, it could take 12 hours or more on the p233. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA Cool site

Re: deny this

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Mustafa N. Deeb wrote: hi all,, how can I tell sendmail to deny this MAIL From: SIZE=1926 250 ... Sender ok You can do it by flagrantly violating RFC 821, since you are required by RFC 821 to permit that as a sender, since that's how mail servers send error messages to other mail

Re: more on latency

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: I think I found the reason that my FreeBSD box is performing so poorly as a NATing router. When I do an ipnat -l to see what active connections are there on the router, a list about 3 pages long (using ipnat -l | more) appears. I think maybe it's having trouble

RE: (a bit offtopic) KDE2.1.1 install

2001-07-09 Thread Lakey, Jeremy # IHTUL
My apologies on the HTML, turned that off (fresh install of XP, you used to have to turn in ON) Thanks for the answer.. Question tho, is this a just a designated flame board? I subscribed hoping to find like-minded hackers as I started on my i810E open-gl enabled driver, but this list seems

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Bill Moran wrote: Terry Lambert wrote: Historically, you've always held that the CDROM must boot to sysinstall. As the software's daddy, I can see why you'd want that; but your baby is ugly. I don't see anyone stepping up to replace it any time soon, so long as you insist that

Athlon MP / AMD 760MP Chipset (Athlon SMP question)

2001-07-09 Thread Nathan Vidican
I seem to recall a few discussions about the Dual Athlon buzz some while back which had stated that the Athlon would essentially require a completely different SMP spec than that currently utilized by the Intel procesors. Assuming that this was true, one would assume that the O/S too

Re: Athlon MP / AMD 760MP Chipset (Athlon SMP question)

2001-07-09 Thread Linh Pham
On 2001-07-09, Nathan Vidican scribbled: # Just for the record, is it or is it not possible to run SMP with # the new Athlon MP Processors; or has no-one even tried yet? Currently # the only O/S I know of which is promoting the usage of such systems is # Novell Netware, and I am just curious

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Bill Moran
Terry Lambert wrote: 2 practical questions: What *exactly* do you see wrong with sysinstall and what *exactly* would you do to improve it. I've been looking for various projects to work on, but sysinstall has never looked (to me) like it needed any serious work. Perhaps I'm looking

Re: more on latency

2001-07-09 Thread Jim Bryant
Terry Lambert wrote: Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: I think I found the reason that my FreeBSD box is performing so poorly as a NATing router. When I do an ipnat -l to see what active connections are there on the router, a list about 3 pages long (using ipnat -l | more) appears. I think

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 01:29:23PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Most of the work should be done using async mounts, or IT DOES. Terry please read the code... To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: deny this

2001-07-09 Thread Rik van Riel
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Mustafa N. Deeb wrote: how can I tell sendmail to deny this MAIL From: SIZE=1926 250 ... Sender ok Please see http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/ Denying these headers will get you blacklisted. Rik -- Virtual memory is like a game you can't win; However, without VM there's

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Nik Clayton
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 10:10:37AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Nik Clayton wrote: The thorny question of What do they have to include and still call it FreeBSD? is resolved by saying that any FreeBSD distribution must include, as a minimum, the contents of the mini ISO (including

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Nik Clayton
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:32:53AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: Historically, you've always held that the CDROM must boot to sysinstall. As the software's daddy, I can see why you'd want that; but your baby is ugly. That's changed -- it's certainly what I was discussing with Jordan. You just

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:32:53 -0700 Except that he who controls the trademark is he who gets to bless the distributions with its use -- or to deny its use. Only if they chose to do so. I would like to think

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
This is all patently ridiculous, especially given that we know you have a previously declared bias in being able to sell some sort of installer for money and would clearly wish to kill any competition for it, no matter how benign it would be to otherwise include it as an option (which is all Nik

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:29:23 -0700 The base system is not registered into the packages system, because of sysinstall. As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. The base system isn't registered into

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:17:07PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is name-calling on the list allowed now? Very classy. From the archives I see that you make quite a habit of it. Perhaps you should contact those previously wronged by me and start a club:

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The base system is not registered into the packages system, because of sysinstall. It's not installed from /usr/ports but from /usr/src. I don't know if it's a good idea to have a huge freebsd_base-5.0-current-20010624 in the packages list, or a zillion

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
] This is all patently ridiculous, especially given that we know you ] have a previously declared bias in being able to sell some sort of ] installer for money and would clearly wish to kill any competition ] for it, no matter how benign it would be to otherwise include it as an ] option (which

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
] Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ] ] The base system is not registered into the packages ] system, because of sysinstall. ] ] It's not installed from /usr/ports but from /usr/src. ] I don't know if it's a good idea to have a huge ] freebsd_base-5.0-current-20010624 in the packages

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
] The base system is not registered into the packages ] system, because of sysinstall. ] ] As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. The base system ] isn't registered into the package system because the base system isn't ] PROVIDED as a package nor does it come with the right

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Terry Lambert
] I never said a CDROM must boot to sysinstall and I challenge you to ] find a quote to that effect. What both Nik and I said was that it ] must be an OPTION to do so, somehow, or you haven't provided a stock ] FreeBSD experience and people are potentially going to be confused as ] to what

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Wes Peters
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The disk partitioning sucks. This has worked for me without any problems, but you must have met some to say that it sucks. Can you elaborate on this, instead of throwing a plain 'sucks' and hoping that we agree with

Re: Create a FreeBSD bootable CD

2001-07-09 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 9 Jul 2001 15:32:14 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hackers you wrote: Chojin wrote: Hello, Someone could tell me how create a bootable FreeBSD CD ? cd /usr/src make buildworld cd release make [bunch of environment vars -- see handbook] release There was also an article on Daemon

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Dan Cross
The main problem with sysinstall all along has been that it is a one-off program. There is no glitz in writing installers, and they're only used once, then rarely if ever again. The real solution is to define a little language for such maintenance tasks, and using that as the basis for

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:42:47 + (GMT) Will you commit the changes? Well, I'd sorta like to *see* them before writing the coding equivalent of a blank check, but given reasonably functional implementations,

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Dan Cross
The real solution is to define a little language for such maintenance tasks, and using that as the basis for installation packaging; something along the lines of Inferno's mush(1), which incorporate's mk-like dependency graph manipulation rules into a shell. This would make it easy to

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-09 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Dan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:22:10 -0400 The real solution is to define a little language for such maintenance tasks, and using that as the basis for installation packaging; something along the lines of Inferno's

zero copy NFS patch?

2001-07-09 Thread Jeff Mohler
Im trying to understand what this patch accomplishes, and whether or not I should apply it. I work with Network Appliance boxes, and that last bit of tuning always comes in handy. Thanks! PS: The drive migration hints all worked well..thanks to everyone who had input!

Re: Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral]

2001-07-09 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 8 July 2001 at 15:47:18 -0600, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: Julian Stacey wrote: The sooner BOD appoint a handfull of non-execs, some nominated by core, the sooner it'll be easy to encourage Wind River to donate the trademark, before who knows what might happen at, to, or within Wind

Re: Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral]

2001-07-09 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
The Foundation has yet to approach Wind River about the Trademark, so I cannot speculate on their disposition. What are your plans to change this situation? The Foundation isn't planning to do anything about the trademark or in regards to any of its other proposed activities until sufficient