Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Lars Eggert
Lars Eggert wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> Well, the showstopper is in vinum. The fact that ccd(4) works >> seamlessly with GEOM is testament to this. > > > For some reason I was under the (mis?)impression that ccd was no longer > being maintained... If it works with geom, we can prob

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:02 PM +0200 10/4/02, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >There are numerous architectural issues which have never been >fixed in vinum, and one or more of these bits now. > >Whoever loves vinum will have to chase it/them down and fix it. > >If I receive patches or requests for changes to GEOM as result

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel E > ischen writes: > >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju > >> lian Elischer writes: > >> > >> >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new featu

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju > lian Elischer writes: > >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new features has the > >responsibility to make older subsystems work. > > I'm _so_ glad to hear _you_ say that: > > When will you have made KSE work on spa

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > >> > >> Oh, you mean like KSE on Alpha? > > > > What existing functionality on the alpha does KSE stop? > > So you agree that requiring vinum users to turn off GEOM is ok? Part > of adding a new feature is providing proof of concept that it works

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel E ischen writes: >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju >> lian Elischer writes: >> >> >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new features has the >> >responsibility to make older subsystems work.

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju > lian Elischer writes: > > >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new features has the > >responsibility to make older subsystems work. > > I'm _so_ glad to hear _you_ say that: > > When will you

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread John Baldwin
On 04-Oct-2002 Julian Elischer wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > >> >> On 04-Oct-2002 Julian Elischer wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> > >> >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: >> >> >This is a cryptographically si

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju > lian Elischer writes: > > >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new features has the > >responsibility to make older subsystems work. > > I'm _so_ glad to hear _you_ say that: > > When will you h

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 04-Oct-2002 Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: > >> >This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. > >> > > >> >-

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ju lian Elischer writes: >No, it is established principal tha the importer of new features has the >responsibility to make older subsystems work. I'm _so_ glad to hear _you_ say that: When will you have made KSE work on sparc64 and ia64 ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread John Baldwin
On 04-Oct-2002 Julian Elischer wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: >> >This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. >> > >> >--ms040706010906030302070807 >> >Content-Type: text/plain; chars

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: > >This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. > > > >--ms040706010906030302070807 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Content-Transfer-Encod

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Lars Eggert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: >> >>I'd consider not having vinum work under geom a show-stopper... at least >>until geom can stripe. > > > Well, the showstopper is in vinum. The fact that ccd(4) works > seamlessly with GEOM is testament to this.

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Eggert writes: >This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. > >--ms040706010906030302070807 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> I would need to

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Lars Eggert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I would need to look at the code to be able to tell, I don't have > time for that. I'd consider not having vinum work under geom a show-stopper... at least until geom can stripe. Lars -- Lars Eggert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> USC Information Sciences Institute

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, n0go013 writes : >On 04.10-18:27, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message n0go013 writes : >> >On 04.10-15:40, fergus wrote: >> > > On 04.10-14:20, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> > > [...] >> > > > I suspect vinum uses this sysctl to get an inventory of disks in >> > >

Re: [ GEOM tests ] vinum drives lost

2002-10-04 Thread n0go013
On 04.10-18:27, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message n0go013 writes : > >On 04.10-15:40, fergus wrote: > > > On 04.10-14:20, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > [...] > > > > I suspect vinum uses this sysctl to get an inventory of disks in > > > > the system, so can I get you to try again making sure

Tartools and "art" (and FreeBSD)

2002-10-04 Thread Duane H. Hesser
In the past few months, there have been a number of threads in the FreeBSD lists regarding 'tar'. I have a 'tartools' distribution which may address some of the concerns expressed, but I have not responded to those threads for a couple of reasons. 1) I don't want to start any 'tar wars' (my li

Re: vmware reads disk on non-sector boundary

2002-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bakul Shah writes: >Oh well. >I am not going to argue about this over and over and over >again. Thankyou, a very wise decision sir! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer |

Re: vmware reads disk on non-sector boundary

2002-10-04 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bakul Shah writes: > >How hard would it be to bring back block devices without GEOM? > > Not at all hard, pretty trivial in fact. The easiest way is to restore the old code and use a minor number hack or ioctl to enab

Re: vmware reads disk on non-sector boundary

2002-10-04 Thread Terry Lambert
Bakul Shah wrote: > phk writes: > > You are welcome to peruse the mail-archives to find out such > > historically interesting decisions. > > I am aware of the technical arguments discussed via -arch, > -current & -hackers. I just don't agree with them (seems > like most hackers who are afraid to