On 16.09.2012 23:12, Jeff Anton wrote:
The whole geom system may be very important and may be the way to move
forward. But if it is so
important, it's important to bring forward all the important functionality
that we know from the
past, i.e. fdisk and bsdlabel or their real useful
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jeff Anton an...@hesiod.org wrote:
… my point is that all this information needs to be
together in one human and machine readable form. We need to be able to look
at the whole picture of a device and say that makes sense then do it. And
this shouldn't be from
Chris Rees wrote:
On 16 September 2012 10:23, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote:
This is a resend as Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu
dropped the
Yuri y...@rawbw.com
from CC line, Yuri was the original first poster in thread who
my patch would presumably have helped.
IMHO, gpart and GEOM are fantastic.
anyway it is MUCH easier and faster to edit disklabels with bsdlabel -e
than with gpart.
Unfortunately since some time bsdlabel cannot edit labels if ANY of
partitions are open.
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On 17 Sep 2012 12:58, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
wrote:
IMHO, gpart and GEOM are fantastic.
anyway it is MUCH easier and faster to edit disklabels with bsdlabel -e
than with gpart.
Unfortunately since some time bsdlabel cannot edit labels if ANY of
partitions are open.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Tom Evans wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jeff Anton an...@hesiod.org wrote:
… my point is that all this information needs to be
together in one human and machine readable form. We need to be able to look
at the whole picture of a device and say that makes sense
On Friday, September 14, 2012 1:32:43 am Vijay Singh wrote:
Need some expert help. I have a system that is hung hard, and I was
able to get it into gdb. From show_vmstat I see:
(kgdb-amd64-7.4-95) show_vmstat
SYSTEM MEMORY INFORMATION:
mem_wire: 285970432 (272MB) Wired: disabled
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
Currently FreeBSD doesn't provide any standard desktop environment, this
means that, in a way much similar to Linux, a developer cannot know in
advance which GUI will be available on the
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
We already do: It's called X11 :-)
--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
Currently FreeBSD doesn't provide any standard desktop environment, this
means that, in a way much
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti
writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
We already do: It's
Il 17/09/2012 17:42, Poul-Henning Kamp ha scritto:
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti
writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
We already do: It's called X11 :-)
(sending
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, UNIX Essentials
featuring the Solaris..., and GUI takes a big part in the book. A
default GUI is essential to a modern UNIX. FreeBSD can no longer
regard GUI as a third-party
In message CAGsORuAnDs_E=l747+tp95nxjxdonnsqfvfco+xd2hjsj-u...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
wrote:
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti
writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@freebsd.org wrote:
In message
CAGsORuAnDs_E=l747+tp95nxjxdonnsqfvfco+xd2hjsj-u...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
wrote:
In message
On 09/17/12 11:14, Lorenzo Cogotti wrote:
Il 17/09/2012 17:42, Poul-Henning Kamp ha scritto:
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
We
In message cagsorub4yd8rknlrwmctx16idohwjkd1rnyarb98nwn+pwv...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@freebsd.org wrote:
My suggest was 100% serious: Assume X11 _is_ the graphical
environment, pick a toolkit which is written to work with
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:00:21AM -0500, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it
wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@freebsd.org wrote:
In message
cagsorub4yd8rknlrwmctx16idohwjkd1rnyarb98nwn+pwv...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@freebsd.org wrote:
My suggest was 100% serious: Assume X11
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:00:21AM -0500, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it
wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
Currently FreeBSD doesn't provide any
Il 17/09/2012 18:20, Tom Evans ha scritto:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, UNIX Essentials
featuring the Solaris..., and GUI takes a big part in the book. A
default GUI is essential to a modern UNIX. FreeBSD
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
Hi,
...
Replying more to the Wayland comments, yes..
FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD need to implement the Wayland `protocol`
because xorg-server development is slowly being killed over time, but
unfortunately that work is
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:40:33 -0500
Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
GUI is a concept. People can use WM or DE as their GUIs. X11 is not
usable from a user's point of view, so it's out of the question. So
far, your statement Assume X11 _is_ the graphical environment is
already nonsense.
As
What are you trying to achieve?
Are you trying to write a set of utilities for FreeBSD that are GUI in
nature? And you'd like to know which toolkit is blessed for a
consistent, integrated feel and development environment?
Adrian
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From a programmer's point of view, GUI is a protocol, a graphical
language. It's true. But users don't care. Users don't care how their
graphical commands are being implemented.
Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope people can agree with
this: a default, officially supported modern
Il 17/09/2012 19:26, Adrian Chadd ha scritto:
What are you trying to achieve?
Are you trying to write a set of utilities for FreeBSD that are GUI in
nature? And you'd like to know which toolkit is blessed for a
consistent, integrated feel and development environment?
Adrian
Right now I
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
Il 17/09/2012 19:26, Adrian Chadd ha scritto:
What are you trying to achieve?
Right now I was interested in creating a desktop oriented automounter,
in order to experiment with devd (I don't know if something useful
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
In message
CAGsORuBqiodwt_EmVqB+fO=tgOVeZOERopSE2y=mla8jp6z...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope people can agree with
this: a default, officially supported modern
In message CAGsORuBqiodwt_EmVqB+fO=tgOVeZOERopSE2y=mla8jp6z...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope people can agree with
this: a default, officially supported modern desktop environment is
essential to FreeBSD.
No, it is not.
It would certainly
On 17 Sep 2012 17:22, Tom Evans tevans...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, UNIX Essentials
featuring the Solaris..., and GUI takes a big part in the book. A
default GUI is essential to
I spent years using Linux before I truly appreciated the key difference between
a desktop environment and a graphical environment. Probably because
everyone had to have a desktop environment.
I define graphical environment as simply X11 and a window manager. That's all
you need to run
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
wrote:
In message
CAGsORuBqiodwt_EmVqB+fO=tgOVeZOERopSE2y=mla8jp6z...@mail.gmail.com
, Zhihao Yuan writes:
Well, let's make it more straightforward.
Il 17/09/2012 20:32, Garrett Cooper ha scritto:
*gathers breath for really tangential/OT rant*
joking
Sounds like we have someone volunteering to write a chapter in the
handbook and do some X11 development to make Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE,
Fluxbox, [...], or etc work better on FreeBSD!
Hi, hackers:
First, I'm not saying that I want an OS forcing you to installs a DE.
If FreeBSD really does this, I'm going to switch to other BSDs :)
The word default has nothing to do with installed by default. It
only means, when we are taking about the desktop environment under
FreeBSD, we are
Am 17.09.2012 17:35, schrieb Lorenzo Cogotti:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
Currently FreeBSD doesn't provide any standard desktop environment, this
means that, in a way much similar to Linux, a developer cannot
| Hi,
| I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
| supported graphical environment.
What i really miss compared to 4.* and 5.3 (and compared to NetBSD
and OpenBSD) is that there is a single package with a known name
that can be downloaded and unpacked and you
Am 17.09.2012 19:51, schrieb Lorenzo Cogotti:
Il 17/09/2012 19:26, Adrian Chadd ha scritto:
What are you trying to achieve?
Are you trying to write a set of utilities for FreeBSD that are GUI in
nature? And you'd like to know which toolkit is blessed for a
consistent, integrated feel and
Il 17/09/2012 21:13, Matthias Andree ha scritto:
What is the particular problem? All major toolkits ultimately talk X11,
and most applications that I have seen will work in any desktop environment.
Working with any desktop environments is different than working well,
taking full advantage of
Am 17.09.12 17:42, schrieb Poul-Henning Kamp:
In message blu0-smtp510b16745b704c714268e2d5...@phx.gbl, Lorenzo Cogotti
writ
es:
Hi,
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
supported graphical environment.
We already do: It's called X11 :-)
and for the
Mike Meyer m...@mired.org http://www.mired.org/
mwm?
Why! It's my preferred WM,
part of x11-toolkits/open-motif.
Talk about coincidences!
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
Il 17/09/2012 20:32, Garrett Cooper ha scritto:
*gathers breath for really tangential/OT rant*
joking
Sounds like we have someone volunteering to write a chapter in the
handbook and do some X11 development to make
Guys,
what do you think of the following two diffs?
Most likely I overdid various checks in libi386/comconsole.c.
And, obviously, the RETRY_COUNT value is pulled out of thin air.
Any help and suggestions are very welcome.
With this patch I am able to boot with
boot_multicons=YES
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Steffen Daode sdao...@gmail.com wrote:
| Hi,
| I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an official
| supported graphical environment.
What i really miss compared to 4.* and 5.3 (and compared to NetBSD
and OpenBSD) is that there is a
Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
Il 17/09/2012 20:32, Garrett Cooper ha scritto:
*gathers breath for really tangential/OT rant*
joking
Sounds like we have someone volunteering to write a chapter in the
handbook and do some X11 development to make Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE,
Fluxbox,
On 09/17/12 21:13, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
1. Maximize graphical user experience by officially implementing Wifi
helpers, auto-mounters;
I think your examples are ill conceived.
A good automounter definitely does not need a GUI. What I think of as a
autmounter should just be some kind of
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Chris Rees cr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 16 September 2012 10:11, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed that we have a handful of patterns currently ignored in
svn:ignore (at least at the top-level… the lower levels don't appear to be
set
Il 17/09/2012 22:55, Mike Meyer ha scritto:
You requested that this work be done. Then you did it again in several
places, the first one being here:
[...]
Maybe I did (as you might notice my English is not very good :) ), but I
thought it was clear that I'd like to cooperate in this.
On 17 September 2012 17:20, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Chris Rees cr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 16 September 2012 10:11, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed that we have a handful of patterns currently ignored in
svn:ignore
We have a web host installation using FreeBSD 8.0, Tomcat, and Java. We
ship many copies of this, and haven't changed the OS load in several months.
In the last 72 hours, we've had two different systems freeze; they don't
apparently recognize any interrupts, they won't respond to ping, and
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Zhihao Yuan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:54 PM
To: Mike Meyer
Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steffen Daode
Nurpmeso
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:51 PM
To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD
| Hi,
|
On Sep 17, 2012 4:04 PM, Guido Falsi m...@madpilot.net wrote:
On 09/17/12 21:13, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
1. Maximize graphical user experience by officially implementing Wifi
helpers, auto-mounters;
A good automounter definitely does not need a GUI.
…
BTW for this case too there is a whole
On 17 September 2012 10:53, Zhihao Yuan lich...@gmail.com wrote:
From a programmer's point of view, GUI is a protocol, a graphical
language. It's true. But users don't care. Users don't care how their
graphical commands are being implemented.
Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope
Again, I think the best thing you can do is find a few people who are
aligned with what you're trying to achieve, sketch together something,
write up a few applets/applications, and get them into a port.
I then think the best thing to do is talk/work with the PCBSD people
to get this stuff
On 09/18/12 00:23, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
On Sep 17, 2012 4:04 PM, Guido Falsi m...@madpilot.net
mailto:m...@madpilot.net wrote:
On 09/17/12 21:13, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
1. Maximize graphical user experience by officially implementing Wifi
helpers, auto-mounters;
A good automounter
And then, a modern GUI should take care of Wifi, automount,
No thanks, seperate issues.
and many
things can't be done with a single WM. That's why I said twm is not a
modern GUI. So far, any questions?
TWM is not a modern window manager, but is small light, comes
with X11. I'm happy we
Hi,
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:35:40 +0200
Lorenzo Cogotti miciam...@hotmail.it wrote:
I was wondering about the possibility of FreeBSD to provide an
official supported graphical environment.
for taking resources away from FreeBSD itself? I do not see the need
for this as long there is a single
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