`dump` and/or `restore` incorrectly handles /dev files

2002-09-03 Thread Patrick Thomas
Try this - it's good for a laugh: ls -asl dev/*mem 0 crw-r- 1 root kmem2, 1 Aug 27 15:16 kmem 0 crw-r- 1 root kmem2, 0 Aug 27 15:16 mem Now run this command, changing some permissions: chmod -w dev/mem ; chmod -w dev/kmem Now, dump that filesystem that

Re: setting quotas _inside_ a jail for users _inside_ a jail

2002-09-01 Thread Patrick Thomas
the side effects of: a) not working as expected b) causing the jail not to be startable. thanks, PT On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Robert Watson wrote: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Patrick Thomas wrote: I realize the difficulties in trying to use quotas on the _host_ system to limit the size of jails

setting quotas _inside_ a jail for users _inside_ a jail

2002-08-30 Thread Patrick Thomas
Hello, I realize the difficulties in trying to use quotas on the _host_ system to limit the size of jails on the host system - userid mapping, etc. This is not what I am asking. I wonder, is it possible for the root user of a jail to set quotas _inside_ her jail for users _inside_ her jail ?

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-29 Thread Patrick Thomas
Ok, this seems to have died down a bit, and my own urgency has passed since it is no longer manifesting itself on my test machinehowever, two things come to mind: 1. is it possible that arbitrary top output is now suspect on machines that have manifested this behavior ? I am not showing

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-26 Thread Patrick Thomas
be mistaken) does not have APM in the bios at all - I have also removed it from the kernel. dmesg tends to confirm the absence of APM. --bpat On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, David Malone wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 04:49:23PM -0700, Patrick Thomas wrote: Also, just to add a bit more info, sometimes instead

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-26 Thread Patrick Thomas
number is steadily rising ... and now, about 30 mins later I am at: rtc irq8 938264 4 --pt On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Lars Eggert wrote: Patrick Thomas wrote: Now, when I repeat vmstat -i, all of these numbers (or rather, all of the large numbers) increase _except_

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-26 Thread Patrick Thomas
I will note that my system is a dual processor system, no APM hardware in it, and I have an identical machine running a kernel built from an identical kernel configuration file running an identical FreeBSD system that has _never_ had the problem. On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Bruce M Simpson wrote:

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-25 Thread Patrick Thomas
4.6-RELEASE. --pt On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: On Saturday 24 August 2002 12:00 pm, Patrick Thomas wrote: | And more important;y, does anyone know _why_ it is happening and what | it means for a system affected ? It usually means that the kernel and the world are out

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-25 Thread Patrick Thomas
It's usually gone after a reboot. Haven't debugged it further since I saw now other problems. Yes, but other times it is not manifesting, and it _starts_ after a reboot. Also, concerning solving the problem with a reboot, although my system is merely a test machine, I am fairly certain that

Re: top shows all zeroes.

2002-08-25 Thread Patrick Thomas
Well, the actual *release* versions *are* supposed to be reliable for mission-critical applications. The purpose of the RC and STABLE versions being to find problems so that they don't make it to the release versions. A lofty goal, indeed. However it has been pointed out that this

Re: possible to expand a file for vn-device FS usage ?

2002-08-16 Thread Patrick Thomas
Thank you for the very clear explanation. Does there exist a utility to immediately take a partition that has been growfs'd and fix it so that it does not experience this performance penalty ? That is, I am willing to sit and wait 10 minutes while some utility rearranges and reorganizes the

possible to expand a file for vn-device FS usage ?

2002-08-15 Thread Patrick Thomas
I have a 500meg file that I dd'd and have mounted as a vn-device filesystem. I would like to increase this to 1gig, however it is very time consuming to do a dump of the FS to a file, dd a new larger one, then do a restore (I have many special files in the FS, thus the need for dump). Is there

Re: possible to expand a file for vn-device FS usage ?

2002-08-15 Thread Patrick Thomas
What is the negative effect of this fragmentation, and does it mean I won't be able to use all of the space that I added ? On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 17:04, Patrick Thomas wrote: Any suggestions on how to expand that file

status of UDP in jail bug ?

2002-08-09 Thread Patrick Thomas
There is (was?) a problem with jail that, among other things, made it impossible for an ircd server to perform reverse lookups for clients. In the news archives, there were complaints about this, and after a not so good patch, eventually a good patch was posted by: From: Lamont Granquist

resolver workaround conceptually possible ?

2002-07-16 Thread Patrick Thomas
I am under the impression that at this time there is no workaround for the resolver problem - you are forced to reinstall or upgrade. I am curious though, is it at least conceptually possible that there could be a workaround ? If so, what would it entail ? thanks - pt To Unsubscribe: send

Re: resolver workaround conceptually possible ?

2002-07-16 Thread Patrick Thomas
Assuming that bind9 has been fixed, you could use bind9 for your local resolver and it will filter anything nasty out as a side effect of the fact that it always constructs replies, rather than caching a reply and forwarding the reply as-is to the resolver client (as bind8 does). Thank you

Should I be concerned ?

2002-07-06 Thread Patrick Thomas
I saw this show up all over my ssh session into a server today: NOTICE: --Relation pg_toast_16386-- NOTICE: Pages 0: Changed 0, reaped 0, Empty 0, New 0; Tup 0: Vac 0, Keep/VTL 0/0, UnUsed 0, MinLen 0, MaxLen 0; Re-using: Free/Avail. Space 0/0; EndEmpty/Avail. Pages 0/0. CPU

using `restore` without user input

2002-07-03 Thread Patrick Thomas
I would like to perform a restore out of a shell script. Normally, I run restore with a command line like: restore -x -f /some/dump Which works _exactly_ as I want it to, except that I am asked two questions: Specify next volume #: and then at the end of the restore: set

Re: tunings for many httpds...

2002-06-25 Thread Patrick Thomas
Incidently, looking at the PV entry angle for a moment. Suppose you create a 1GB sysvshm (pageable) segment. That's 262144 pages. Mapping this once means you consume 262144 PV entries. At 28 bytes each, that is about 7.3MB of KVM. Now, fork this process 300 times. The numbers become

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-24 Thread Patrick Thomas
that I need to increase KVA? Or does it show you that one of the one or two other low probablity problems is occurring? thanks, PT On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Patrick Thomas wrote: I think I'll just decrease my swap size from 2 gigs to 1 gig - is that a reasonable alternative

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-24 Thread Patrick Thomas
A few items that deserve mention, and two questions: a) this problem occurred back when the machine had 2gigs in it - I actually (naively) added the third gig of physical ram to try to fix the problem. b) another machine of mine is now exhibiting the same bahavior - it has far fewer processes

tunings for many httpds...

2002-06-24 Thread Patrick Thomas
As a splinter to the ongoing KVA/crash/memory discussion, I am wondering: - given a machine that will run 250+ httpds and another ~800 misc. processes, what system tunings would any of you suggest other than the ones I have done: In my kernel: maxusers=256 (was 512, change to 256

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-24 Thread Patrick Thomas
It's obvious that you are running a large number of httpd's; the Yes, we are running a lot of httpd's: ps auxw | grep httpd | wc -l = 288 The way to cross-check this would be to run a continuous netstat -m, e.g.: Funny you should ask :) I was already doing that. Here is the

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-23 Thread Patrick Thomas
. --PT On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Patrick Thomas wrote: I think I'll just decrease my swap size from 2 gigs to 1 gig - is that a reasonable alternative that provides the same benefit and possible solution to this problem ? ...since bsically 0 swap has ever been used

Re: inuring FreeBSD to the apache bug without upgrading apache ?

2002-06-23 Thread Patrick Thomas
Yeah; this whole thread is premised on working around the problem without an Apache software change. It's a reasonable premise (IMO) -- if you've got a custom compilation and a lot of modules, that can end up being a lot of software. I build a PHP4+SSL+Apache+IMAP+etc. source tree at one

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-23 Thread Patrick Thomas
jump in and try it, I want to confirm what I believe to understand, I need to set the KVA value in my kernel config _and_ edit those other two files in the kernel source, then just recompile my kernel. Sound like I'm on the right track ? Yes. That's the way to do it for 4.5,

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-22 Thread Patrick Thomas
), and a certain set of jails always hangs the system in this way. I'm trying to narrow it down. Do you get a core dump or does it just hang? Nate - Original Message - From: Patrick Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 16:43 Subject: (jail

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-22 Thread Patrick Thomas
Terry, Thanks for that informative email - just a quick reality check though (for myself) - the last time this type of crash happened, I was running and watching `top` on the machine - and when it froze, the `top` output froze as well, and this was the last display on the screen: last pid:

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-22 Thread Patrick Thomas
to do, right ? Is that all - can it be done just by changing that one value in my kernel config ? Again, thank you Terry for all your help. --PT On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Patrick Thomas wrote: Since all of the things you spoke of basically revolved around you're running

Re: (jail) problem and a (possible) solution ?

2002-06-22 Thread Patrick Thomas
I think I'll just decrease my swap size from 2 gigs to 1 gig - is that a reasonable alternative that provides the same benefit and possible solution to this problem ? ...since bsically 0 swap has ever been used on the machine anyway... --PT On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Patrick

Re: inuring FreeBSD to the apache bug without upgrading apache ?

2002-06-21 Thread Patrick Thomas
What none of you has mentioned is the thought I had in mind when I asked this question, and that is, I have a rd machine with 16 jails on it, each running apache. Therefore in a situation like this it would be _much_ easier to just tune a sysctl or rebuild the kernel, vs. rebuilding 16

inuring FreeBSD to the apache bug without upgrading apache ?

2002-06-20 Thread Patrick Thomas
Is it possible to patch/recompile FreeBSD 4.5 in such a way that your system is no longer vulnerable to the chunking attack, even if you are still running a vulnerable apache ? I ask because I see in one of the chunking exploits that: * Remote OpenBSD/Apache exploit for the chunking

reboot your own jail ?

2002-05-16 Thread Patrick Thomas
currently I reboot jails with this process: 1. someone logs into the jail and runs `kill -KILL -1` 2. someone logs onto the BASE machine and starts it up again. I wish I could do this without involving the admin of the base machine. Has anyone come up with a strategy for

Re: reboot your own jail ?

2002-05-16 Thread Patrick Thomas
why -TERM ? the jail man page recommends -KILL ... just curious... On Thu, 16 May 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: web interface that is password protected that does: ssh root@jail kill -TERM -1 restart jail On Thu, 16 May 2002, Patrick Thomas wrote: currently I reboot

syncookies exploit behavior

2002-05-07 Thread Patrick Thomas
Two questions regarding the syncookies issue - 1. What kind of crash is it ? I have an issue where my machine has no response at the console, and none of the services work (pop, imap, etc.) HOWEVER you can still ping it, and you can still initiate connections to services - they just dont talk

Re: what causes a userland to stop, but allows kernel to continue?

2002-05-06 Thread Patrick Thomas
No denied requests. It's not mbufs. It must be something else. How do you feel about this: # vmstat -z ITEMSIZE LIMITUSEDFREE REQUESTS PIPE:160,0,702,522, 236316 SWAPMETA:160, 509724,452,136, 1125 unpcb:

what would cause a server to behave this way ?

2002-05-05 Thread Patrick Thomas
We have a FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE server, it is a SMP system, and four days ago the following happened: - console became unresponsive - caps lock key no longer toggled the caps lock button - you _could_ still ping the server - you could still establish connections to running services, but NONE of

what causes a userland to stop, but allows kernel to continue ?

2002-05-05 Thread Patrick Thomas
So, based on a previous thread, it looks like I have a server whose userland halted, essentially, but the kernel continued running. As evidenced by: - you can still ping the server just fine - you can still connect to running services just fine - if you ssh to it, `ssh -v` (verbose) claims a

Re: what causes a userland to stop, but allows kernel to continue?

2002-05-05 Thread Patrick Thomas
Are NMBCLUSTERS and mbuf determined by 'maxusers' ? I have maxusers=512 ... comments ? When you suggest 'clamp the total number of sockets that are permittedto be open' ... how is this done - is there a sysctl that corresponds to total number of sockets that are permitted to be open ? I am

RFC on my SHM tunings for multiple jailed postgres...

2002-05-03 Thread Patrick Thomas
I have a large server that will be running ~24 jails, 8 of which will be running their own postgres server. Because of this fact: By default, Postgres allocates 34 semaphores, which is over half the default system total of 60. I need to tune kernel SHM settings in order to even run the second

cryptography implications (privacy) of FreeBSD jail ?

2002-03-11 Thread Patrick Thomas
Let's say I am running in a jail, and say 5 other people are running in other, seperate jails on the same machine. Now lets say I start up pgp, and generate my keys, and generally use pgp through the command line in my jail. Or, instead of pgp I do other crypto related sensitive activities...

Re: cannot get more than 32 PTYs in 4.4-RELEASE

2002-03-05 Thread Patrick Thomas
Ok, see the point is, I have _already done this_ sh MAKEDEV pty0 # 0-31 sh MAKEDEV pty1 # 32-63 sh MAKEDEV pty2 # 64-95 sh MAKEDEV pty3 # 96-127 sh MAKEDEV pty4 # 128-159 xterm won't recognize by default sh MAKEDEV pty5 # 160-191 xterm won't recognize by default sh MAKEDEV

Re: Four misc. questions related to jail usage

2002-03-05 Thread Patrick Thomas
Patrick Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Does each jail need to have its own proc filesystem mounted? No, procfs is pretty much useless these days (except for truss). In 4.5, won't `ps` (and perhaps other apps) not work for people in a jail if their jail does not have a proc file system

cannot get more than 32 PTYs in 4.4-RELEASE

2002-03-04 Thread Patrick Thomas
In my kernel, I have: maxusers128 pseudo-device pty 128 In my /dev directory, I have used `sh MAKEDEV` to make all 256 /dev/pty files. They are all there, and all have correct major/minor numbers. I know I won't be using all 256 of them, but I just made them

Re: using vnconfig devices instead of partitions for jails ?

2002-02-28 Thread Patrick Thomas
was I just silly for doing it that way ? thanks! On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Nik Clayton wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:03:11PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2002-02-27T20:49:18Z, Patrick Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to put a large number of jails (16 or 20) on a server

Re: using vnconfig devices instead of partitions for jails ?

2002-02-28 Thread Patrick Thomas
one other thing: How many mount points (jails, in this case) can I run ? I see that there are 8 existing vn0X device files in /dev - can I just create more of them using MAKEDEV (or mknod) and keep going ? What is the maximum ? 256 ? also, do I need to alter the kernel to support more vn0X

using vnconfig devices instead of partitions for jails ?

2002-02-27 Thread Patrick Thomas
I would like to put a large number of jails (16 or 20) on a server for testing purposes. I have two options so far: create 16 or 20 partitions OR just put them all in one partition, but the downside of that is that then I cannot enforce disk usage between jails. So at this point, 16-20