Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-07-01 Thread Nik Clayton
On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 08:02:06PM -0500, Stan Shkolnyy wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time > > has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. > > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-07-01 Thread Nik Clayton
On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 08:02:06PM -0500, Stan Shkolnyy wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time > > has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. > > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny w

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Stan Shkolnyy
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time > has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. > > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is prob

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Stan Shkolnyy
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time > has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. > > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is proba

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:[...] : :I guessed I freaked some people out when I declared that I wanted to :work on the VM system, discussions in the first few months went with :half of core talking to me like I didn't know jack when I do know at :least jack, but had to come up to speed on FreeBSDisms

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:[...] : :I guessed I freaked some people out when I declared that I wanted to :work on the VM system, discussions in the first few months went with :half of core talking to me like I didn't know jack when I do know at :least jack, but had to come up to speed on FreeBSDisms

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:01:03PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > > the factors that keep the system healthy, > > I've just spent five minutes trying t

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:01:03PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > > the factors that keep the system healthy, > > I've just spent five minutes trying to

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Nik Clayton
Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > the factors that keep the system heal

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-30 Thread Nik Clayton
Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this; ironically, most of my time has been spent on freebsd-doc recently. On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 12:03:59PM -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > the factors that keep the system healt

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too?

1999-06-27 Thread Peter Jeremy
Nick Hibma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Programmers need documentation too. > >And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end >they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they >don't trust anything but their own eyes and brain. > >It's all documen

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too?

1999-06-27 Thread Peter Jeremy
Nick Hibma wrote: >> Programmers need documentation too. > >And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end >they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they >don't trust anything but their own eyes and brain. > >It's all documented in C anyway. No

Re: All this and documentation too? (was: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c)))

1999-06-27 Thread Karl Pielorz
Greg Lehey wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > > the factors that keep the system healthy, because it keeps the unskilled > > people away. I don't know whether it's true but I read in books that > > reading code is one of the methods to learn prog

Re: All this and documentation too? (was: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c)))

1999-06-27 Thread Karl Pielorz
Greg Lehey wrote: > > I've come to understanding that lack of documentation is probably one of > > the factors that keep the system healthy, because it keeps the unskilled > > people away. I don't know whether it's true but I read in books that > > reading code is one of the methods to learn progr

All this and documentation too? (was: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c)))

1999-06-26 Thread Greg Lehey
On Saturday, 26 June 1999 at 12:03:59 -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > On Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:08 AM, Nick Hibma [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > wrote: >>> Programmers need documentation too. >> >> And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end >> they start reading th

All this and documentation too? (was: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c)))

1999-06-26 Thread Greg Lehey
On Saturday, 26 June 1999 at 12:03:59 -0500, Constantine Shkolny wrote: > On Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:08 AM, Nick Hibma [SMTP:hi...@skylink.it] > wrote: >>> Programmers need documentation too. >> >> And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end >> they start reading the

RE: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Constantine Shkolny
On Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:08 AM, Nick Hibma [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > Programmers need documentation too. > > And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end > they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they > don't trust anything but

RE: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Constantine Shkolny
On Saturday, June 26, 1999 8:08 AM, Nick Hibma [SMTP:hi...@skylink.it] wrote: > > Programmers need documentation too. > > And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end > they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they > don't trust anything but th

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Anonymous
On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 03:08:10PM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: > > And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end > they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they > don't trust anything but their own eyes and brain. ports system == really really l

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 03:08:10PM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: > > And they are going to scream like mad if there isn't any. But in the end > they start reading the code anyway, even if there is docu, because they > don't trust anything but their own eyes and brain. ports system == really really la

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Anonymous
> On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 07:20:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > But one thing I like is, although FreeBSD *does* try to appease user > > demands, it's controlled by programmers, not users, so if something is > > a technically extemely evil idea, no matter how the masses yell for it, > > it will

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Nick Hibma
> On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 07:20:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > But one thing I like is, although FreeBSD *does* try to appease user > > demands, it's controlled by programmers, not users, so if something is > > a technically extemely evil idea, no matter how the masses yell for it, > > it will

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Anonymous
Hi Chuck, On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 07:20:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > But one thing I like is, although FreeBSD *does* try to appease user > demands, it's controlled by programmers, not users, so if something is > a technically extemely evil idea, no matter how the masses yell for it, > it wil

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-26 Thread Nik Clayton
Hi Chuck, On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 07:20:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > But one thing I like is, although FreeBSD *does* try to appease user > demands, it's controlled by programmers, not users, so if something is > a technically extemely evil idea, no matter how the masses yell for it, > it will

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too?(was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-24 Thread Anonymous
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far, we have > > > the ones that whine about the loot and throw

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-24 Thread Brian Beattie
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far, we have > > > the ones that whine about the loot and throw

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too?(was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Anonymous
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: [deleted cvs-all from the list of cc's, how'd it get there? > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So fa

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Chuck Robey
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: [deleted cvs-all from the list of cc's, how'd it get there? > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Anonymous
On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far, we have > > the ones that whine about the loot and throw mud at us when we march > > too slowly, but not

Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Nik Clayton
On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far, we have > > the ones that whine about the loot and throw mud at us when we march > > too slowly, but not e

Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Anonymous
On Tuesday, 22 June 1999 at 23:52:25 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: In case FreeBSD wants to enter commercial environments, we have to behave like behaving in commercial environments. >>> >>> Ok, so let's follow Microsoft's industry-leading documentation standards. >> >> He said "commercial",

Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c))

1999-06-23 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 22 June 1999 at 23:52:25 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: In case FreeBSD wants to enter commercial environments, we have to behave like behaving in commercial environments. >>> >>> Ok, so let's follow Microsoft's industry-leading documentation standards. >> >> He said "commercial", n