Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-24 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > David Schultz wrote: > > Aah...we'd better put uucp back in the base system, then. Never mind > > that it might have security problems that we don't know about. :P > > I can guarantee you that having a computer booted has security > problems that

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-24 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > Aah...we'd better put uucp back in the base system, then. Never mind > that it might have security problems that we don't know about. :P I can guarantee you that having a computer booted has security problems that we don't know about, so the logical thing to do, from that

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-24 Thread Terry Lambert
"Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > It really pissed me off when the AHA-1742 support dropped out when CAM > > came in, but that, at least, was understandable, since it was a trade: > > something deisrable for something less desirable to the majority of > > use

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-23 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The entire idea of "bit rot" is really "the code did not keep > ``up to date'' with my changes, which broke the code", which > is really a ridiculous position. > > It really pissed me off when the AHA-1742 support dropped out > when CAM came in, but

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-23 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > It really pissed me off when the AHA-1742 support dropped out when CAM > came in, but that, at least, was understandable, since it was a trade: > something deisrable for something less desirable to the majority of > users. AHA-1742 works again now. May

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-23 Thread Terry Lambert
Jochem Kossen wrote: > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 16:54, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > Jochem Kossen wrote: > > > Because things evolve? :) > > > > You say "evolve." I say "get broken." > > Don't tell me that in 11 years, defaults never change When the routing code was changed, back in the mid 1990's,

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-23 Thread Jochem Kossen
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 16:54, Frank Mayhar wrote: > Jochem Kossen wrote: > > Because things evolve? :) > > You say "evolve." I say "get broken." Don't tell me that in 11 years, defaults never change > > > How do I know which man page to read? > > > > You start X with startx, seems obvious to

Re: Security through obscurity? (and /etc/defaults/rc.conf changes)

2002-04-23 Thread Frank Mayhar
Jochem Kossen wrote: > Because things evolve? :) You say "evolve." I say "get broken." > > How do I know which man page to read? > You start X with startx, seems obvious to me. The disabling of tcp > connections only applies to startx It's not obvious when one has been starting X with the sam