Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds. - SOLVED

2003-08-14 Thread Buckie
Hello folks. Some of you may remember my trouble with SI0680-based ULTRADMA ATA controller card. Well, the problem was obvivously the faulty card. After replacing it works fine. I don't know what magic Soeren has put in the SI driver, but unlike Windows it never crashed, never hang, it even tried

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds. - SOLVED

2003-08-14 Thread Soeren Schmidt
It seems Buckie wrote: > Hello folks. > Some of you may remember my trouble with SI0680-based ULTRADMA ATA > controller card. Well, the problem was obvivously the faulty card. > After replacing it works fine. > > I don't know what magic Soeren has put in the SI driver, but unlike > Windows it neve

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-08-02 Thread Terry Lambert
John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Ruben de Groot wrote this message on Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 10:15 +0200: > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 04:33:08AM +0200, mh typed: > > The following comparison is probably bogus, but can anybody explain the > > huge difference? > > It's called micro optimization. Linux feels

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-08-01 Thread soralx
> The transfer rates are usually given for the outside of the disk I think. Average transfer rates is what's usually given ([inside+outside]/2) - at least that's what manufacturers say. However, as they usually seem too high, probably the data rate for the first few thousand sectors are given. 01

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-08-01 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Ruben de Groot wrote this message on Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 10:15 +0200: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 04:33:08AM +0200, mh typed: > The following comparison is probably bogus, but can anybody explain the > huge difference? It's called micro optimization. Linux feels the need to special case /dev/zero

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-08-01 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 04:33:08AM +0200, mh typed: > Soeren Schmidt wrote: > > >It seems Buckie wrote: > > > > > >>I ran a dd: > >>dd if=/dev/ad1 of=/dev/zero ibs=8192 > >> > >>OH, you need to output to /dev/null NOT /dev/zero :) > >> > >> > It doesn't matter as far as cdevsw entry for zer

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Bruce Cran
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:33:28PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Maybe not, but they do give a transferspeed from medium range and that > > > is what can be expected. > > > > Hmm, I guess not everyone does that. We have some seagates here at work we > > were wondering about because they

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread mh
Soeren Schmidt wrote: It seems Buckie wrote: I ran a dd: dd if=/dev/ad1 of=/dev/zero ibs=8192 OH, you need to output to /dev/null NOT /dev/zero :) It doesn't matter as far as cdevsw entry for zero-device write leads to null_write() in /usr/src/sys/dev/null.c I was testing the memory t

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread soralx
> > Maybe not, but they do give a transferspeed from medium range and that > > is what can be expected. > > Hmm, I guess not everyone does that. We have some seagates here at work we > were wondering about because they seemed too slow, and we couldn't find > anything aside from what we already kne

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Buckie
Wow. But still, can it be that something bottlenecks somewhere so that I can't get these loverly speeds? Can I measure pci performance as well? Would be cool to understand what doesn't allow this system to use the 133 to its max... Z >> > Guess I just didn't look hard enough or in the right place

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Kenneth Culver
> > Guess I just didn't look hard enough or in the right place. I only spent a > > minute or 2 on it, but yeah ATA drives don't tell you that sort of thing, > > they say stuff like "ATA133 for a max transfer rate of 133 MB/sec *" then > > at the bottom the * says something like "133 MB/sec burst ra

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Soeren Schmidt
It seems Kenneth Culver wrote: > > > Guess I just didn't look hard enough or in the right place. I only spent a > minute or 2 on it, but yeah ATA drives don't tell you that sort of thing, > they say stuff like "ATA133 for a max transfer rate of 133 MB/sec *" then > at the bottom the * says somethin

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Kenneth Culver
> http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/scsi/atlas_10k_family/atlas_10k_iv/index.htm > "maximum sustained data transfer rate up to 72MB/sec." > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/enterprise/family/0,1086,530,00.html > Lists not only sustained transfer rate, but tells you the center and > e

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jul 31), Kenneth Culver said: > > What I find fascinating is that Maxtor's site never actually tells you > > the true throughput of that disk anywhere. > > http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/ata/desktop/diamondmax_plus_9/ > > Almost none of the hard disk manufacturers do. In fa

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Kenneth Culver
> Maybe not, but they do give a transferspeed from medium range and that > is what can be expected. Hmm, I guess not everyone does that. We have some seagates here at work we were wondering about because they seemed too slow, and we couldn't find anything aside from what we already knew... the tra

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Soeren Schmidt
It seems Kenneth Culver wrote: > > What I find fascinating is that Maxtor's site never actually tells you > > the true throughput of that disk anywhere. > > http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/ata/desktop/diamondmax_plus_9/ > > Almost none of the hard disk manufacturers do. In fact I've never seen >

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Kenneth Culver
> What I find fascinating is that Maxtor's site never actually tells you > the true throughput of that disk anywhere. > http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/ata/desktop/diamondmax_plus_9/ Almost none of the hard disk manufacturers do. In fact I've never seen "true throughput" numbers from ANY manufac

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jul 31), Buckie said: > Soeren, > > Heh, QNX in first RTP incarnations only had /dev/zero and I sort of > get used to it. > But nevermind. I've already tried large bsizes (1m and more) and > /dev/null too. But I can't really get past the 16Mb/s barrier... What I find fascinat

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Buckie
Soeren, Heh, QNX in first RTP incarnations only had /dev/zero and I sort of get used to it. But nevermind. I've already tried large bsizes (1m and more) and /dev/null too. But I can't really get past the 16Mb/s barrier... Does machine speed really should affect the hard drive performance so much?

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Soeren Schmidt
It seems Buckie wrote: > I ran a dd: > dd if=/dev/ad1 of=/dev/zero ibs=8192 > ...and cancelled it after some amount of time: > 2321+0 records in > 37136+0 records out > 19013632 bytes transferred in 27.876118 secs (682076 bytes/sec) > > I don't use static2 ata device numbering hence Maxtor is assi

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Buckie
Hello again. Sorry I just forgot to provide at least a version number. Stupid me. It's FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE and here's a dmesg output. Also, it's not that it 'doesn't work', it works, but I see no difference in speed after changing transfer modes (from WDMA2 to UDMA6) Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The Fr

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Paul JURCO
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds. > Hello hackers! > > I hope someone can help me with this since you know the internals of > FreeBSD much more than me. Hop

Re: Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Soeren Schmidt
It seems Buckie wrote: > Hello hackers! > > I hope someone can help me with this since you know the internals of > FreeBSD much more than me. Hope it doesn't take much time. > > The sort of problem I'm having is this: after installing a new Ultra > ATA card (it's based on Silicon Image 0680 chip

Ultra ATA card doesn't seem to provide Ultra speeds.

2003-07-31 Thread Buckie
Hello hackers! I hope someone can help me with this since you know the internals of FreeBSD much more than me. Hope it doesn't take much time. The sort of problem I'm having is this: after installing a new Ultra ATA card (it's based on Silicon Image 0680 chip by the way) although the disks start