of useless. It's like doing uphill testing of a fat guy on a bicycle
against a Lamborghini - you know the result beforehand.
Unfortunately, what you're probably not aware of is that the fat guy
also has a JATO unit strapped to the back of his bicycle. Don't make
assumptions. :-)
If
As Jordan Hubbard wrote ...
of useless. It's like doing uphill testing of a fat guy on a bicycle
against a Lamborghini - you know the result beforehand.
Unfortunately, what you're probably not aware of is that the fat guy
also has a JATO unit strapped to the back of his bicycle. Don't
On Thu, Jun 03, 1999 at 03:49:49AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
of useless. It's like doing uphill testing of a fat guy on a bicycle
against a Lamborghini - you know the result beforehand.
Unfortunately, what you're probably not aware of is that the fat guy
also has a JATO unit strapped
The point that FreeBSD won't willingly be using restricted source code
as a part of our distribution mechanism, I think. It seems to be
I'm sure that Kirk has a good reason for leaving the current modified
BSD license in place for soft updates and when whatever timer he has
on that runs out
On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:30:43AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
I still don't see what the fuss is about in any case since soft
updates would be SLOWER than the async mode I use during installation
and anyone who's actually bothered to benchmark extraction of files
with the two systems knows
I still don't see what the fuss is about in any case since soft
updates would be SLOWER than the async mode I use during installation
and anyone who's actually bothered to benchmark extraction of files
with the two systems knows this. Have you ever timed it? If not, why
not? That
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Max Khon wrote:
I have very (VERY!) bad link to anoncvs.freebsd.org. are there other
anoncvs servers?
Not to my knowledge, though FreeBSD.org has a few co-located machines, I'm
sure one could run an anoncvs mirror.
- bill fumerola - bi...@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Eivind Eklund wrote:
There are a number of solutions available:
(1) Change 'make release' to scan the ports collection and create an
mtree file beforehand; apply the mtree file before extracting the
collection. This will make the inode layout more efficient.
I
Moving these files to ftp requires good automatic means to keep
ftp servers updated. However as of today there are no such means
available.
CVSup is definitely easiest way to keep well defined collection
of files up to date.
Folks, how about _admitting_ finally that our
-Original Message-
From: Nick Hibma [SMTP:nick.hi...@jrc.it]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 2:05 PM
To: freebsd-po...@freebsd.org; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: a two-level port system? (fwd)
Folks, how about _admitting_ finally that our ports collection
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Ladavac Marino wrote:
Disadvantage:
With one big file it is next to impossible to build version 1.1.1 of one
port and 1.1.2 of another.
With current model i can check out specific branch for
all files/ports separately.
best regards,
taavi
Basically the format will
-Original Message-
From: Taavi Talvik [SMTP:ta...@uninet.ee]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 2:38 PM
To: Ladavac Marino
Cc: 'Nick Hibma'; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org;
freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: RE: a two-level port system? (fwd)
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Ladavac Marino
With one big file it is next to impossible to build version 1.1.1 of
one
port and 1.1.2 of another.
With current model i can check out specific branch for
all files/ports separately.
[ML] You have a point there :)
Of course, you could check out the 1.1.1 version of
: a two-level port system? (fwd)
in fact i think the biggest problem, performancewise, is the presence
of multiple subdirs per port.
I'd be happy if we could build a backward compatible method that (in
order of importance)
[ML] [worthwile suggestions deleted]
comments ?
[ML
* From: Ladavac Marino mlada...@metropolitan.at
I don't really have time to butt in (I have to hop on a plane in a few
hours and I haven't finished the presentation slides) but I'd like to
throw in my two cents before this gets out of hand.
* [ML] This would offer an advantage over the
hi, there!
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote:
@ Version control. Can you check out an arbitrary version of any
file? I want to do something like give me the changes in
Makefile between yesterday and today.
It's hard to check out the port for an arbitrary
hi, there!
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote:
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Now, the problems are:
@ It takes a long time to...what? cvsup the tree? That's already
to install the port distribution. it's the slowest part of the install
process. developers may not experience that, but all other
users (who buy the cd) do.
I am primarily concerned with that, and
Luigi Rizzo lu...@labinfo.iet.unipi.it writes:
in fact i think the biggest problem, performancewise, is the presence
of multiple subdirs per port.
Well, if we are going to change the ports mechanism, may I suggest
that we make it easy to create `foreign' packages? Let me explain.
In an ideal
On Mon, May 31, 1999 at 09:22:23PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
It's hard to check out the port for an arbitrary version of program.
E.g.: try to check out port for samba 1.9.18p10
Well, samba was upgraded from 1.9.18p10 to 2.0.0 at Mon Jan 18 2:34:03
1999 UTC, so to checkout 1.9.18p10,
$ cvs co
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote:
It seems to me that you guys are arguing about a problem that doesn't
really exist. Or at least all ideas proposed so far seem to hurt more
than help. ;)
Agreed. This whole discussion, I feel, is silly.
This is change for the sake
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Max Khon wrote:
@ Version control. Can you check out an arbitrary version of any
file? I want to do something like give me the changes in
Makefile between yesterday and today.
It's hard to check out the port for an arbitrary version of program.
Not
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
I am primarily concerned with that, and secondly with mainteinance
issues when you have a new/updated port, you generally need to touch
the Makefile and one or more files in pkg, and the info in pkg/* is
often the same comments you would put at the
Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote:
@ It is large. Ok, so it's 44MB (the first poster had the size
completely wrong -- probably had some distfiles or work/ subdirs
lying around). That's less than 20KB per port. Ok, so you can
keep only the Makefile, or even less, and let
On Mon, May 31, 1999 at 09:23:34PM +0100, Dean Lombardo wrote:
occupies at least 512 bytes on disk. So is 44Mb the _actual_ size of
the whole thing, as stored on disk, or just the sum of individual file
sizes?
I would expect that Satoshi measured with du (or maybe df if he
has a partition
installing the ports. FreeBSD also seems a bit slow when dealing with
lots of small files.
This was discussed a while back; the causes are widely known (and have
nothing to do with lots of small files).
Either soft updates or async mounts should be used when initially
installing the
On Mon, May 31, 1999 at 01:35:48PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
Either soft updates or async mounts should be used when initially
installing the system.
Maybe you should do an install one of these days.
Should I take that to mean that async mounts are now used during the
installation?
Since
On 31-May-99 Bill Fumerola wrote:
Not really.
E.g.: try to check out port for samba 1.9.18p10
$ cvs co -D 08/29/98 samba
works for me on freefall.
Hmm... anon cvs anyone? :)
I have a copy of the src repo but not the ports one..
---
Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer
hi, there!
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
It's hard to check out the port for an arbitrary version of program.
Not really.
E.g.: try to check out port for samba 1.9.18p10
$ cvs co -D 08/29/98 samba
works for me on freefall.
I have very (VERY!) bad link to
In the last episode (Jun 01), Max Khon said:
hi, there!
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
Not really.
E.g.: try to check out port for samba 1.9.18p10
$ cvs co -D 08/29/98 samba
works for me on freefall.
I have very (VERY!) bad link to anoncvs.freebsd.org. are there
On Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:06:22PM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
Now, the problems are:
@ It takes a long time to...what? cvsup the tree? That's already
to install the port distribution. it's the slowest part of the install
process. developers may not experience that, but all other
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On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Eivind Eklund wrote:
(3) Hit jkh with a baseball bat until he stops refusing to use soft
updates on the boot floppy during install (due to making a point)
What exactly is the point? We clearly wouldn't be distributing a
kernel withoutthe whole sources, so
On Tue, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:28:11AM -0500, David Scheidt wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Eivind Eklund wrote:
(3) Hit jkh with a baseball bat until he stops refusing to use soft
updates on the boot floppy during install (due to making a point)
What exactly is the point? We clearly
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