Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-22 Thread Alan Judge
Daniel /me shivers at the thought of my (easily) 500+ new messages a day Daniel and hundreds of thousands of messages being stored one file for each Daniel message... Works OK for us (and a number of even larger ISPs using Maildirs). Though we use NetApps for the file storage and they have a

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Alan Judge wrote: Daniel /me shivers at the thought of my (easily) 500+ new messages a day Daniel and hundreds of thousands of messages being stored one file for each Daniel message... Works OK for us (and a number of even larger ISPs using Maildirs). Though we use

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-17 Thread Jos Backus
On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 10:03:07AM -0800, Doug White wrote: If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail spools via NFS. ...unless you're using the Maildir mailbox format and delivery protocol: http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html -- Jos Backus

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-17 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Daniel C. Sobral wrote ... Jos Backus wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 10:03:07AM -0800, Doug White wrote: If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail spools via NFS. ...unless you're using the Maildir mailbox format and delivery protocol:

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-17 Thread Louis A. Mamakos
/me shivers at the thought of my (easily) 500+ new messages a day and hundreds of thousands of messages being stored one file for each message... It's been done. It's called MS Exchange. You don't have to use vile language in public :-) MH has been storing mail in

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-17 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Wilko Bulte: It's been done. It's called MS Exchange. AFAIK, it is the opposite. M-Sexchange use one unique database for all mailboxes, making recovery of a lost message an "interesting" challenge. It is worse than the mbox format... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=-

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread Doug White
On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, David E. Cross wrote: I am noticing a large number of pine (and only pine) procs stuck in disk-wait. All of the are in the WCHAN "vmpfw". Any ideas what this may mean? Is the mail spool pine accessing on this NFS volume, or just the binary? If so you're breaking the

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
:On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, David E. Cross wrote: : : I am noticing a large number of pine (and only pine) procs stuck in disk-wait. : All of the are in the WCHAN "vmpfw". Any ideas what this may mean? : :Is the mail spool pine accessing on this NFS volume, or just the binary? : :If so you're breaking

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Doug White wrote: :If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail spools :via NFS. Correction: Never mount mail splls via NFS on platforms without NFS locking. I mount mail spools via NFS all the time in SunOS, Solaris, and Irix. Have been for years.

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread Mike Walker
I am noticing a large number of pine (and only pine) procs stuck in disk-wait. All of the are in the WCHAN "vmpfw". Any ideas what this may mean? Is the mail spool pine accessing on this NFS volume, or just the binary? If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread Gustavo Rios
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Mike Walker wrote: I am noticing a large number of pine (and only pine) procs stuck in disk-wait. All of the are in the WCHAN "vmpfw". Any ideas what this may mean? Is the mail spool pine accessing on this NFS volume, or just the binary? If so you're

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-11-16 Thread David Scheidt
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Mike Walker wrote: If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail spools via NFS. Why is this a cardinal rule? FreeBSD doesn't support locking over NFS, so you will get corruption of mailboxes if there are attempts at concurrent access of the mail

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-01-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Louis A. Mamakos" wrote: You don't have to use vile language in public :-) MH has been storing mail in it's folders like this for years/decades. While it might be a little hard on the file system, it works great for the user. Works great? Seriously, how long does it take to open a

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-01-16 Thread David Scheidt
On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: "Louis A. Mamakos" wrote: You don't have to use vile language in public :-) MH has been storing mail in it's folders like this for years/decades. While it might be a little hard on the file system, it works great for the user. Works

Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS

1999-01-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : : : Which FreeBSD release is being used here? What kind of NFS mount is : being used (localhost mount?) : :Ok, I have some additional details, as I was able to mostly resolve the issue. : :Yes, mail is nfs exported, but that does not appear to be the issue in this :case. pine is