Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Freebsd-net. Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection costs additional money) o

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Lev Serebryakov wrote: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection cost

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Yamagi. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 13:30:23: > Hi, > I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs > just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But > maybe I was just lucky and got working mainboard and nic combinations. > So if further i

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Yamagi Burmeister wrote: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when switches' ports are limited to 100Mbit (1Gbit connection co

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But maybe I was just lucky and got working mainboard and nic combinations. So if further information is needed, I

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Brian Reichert
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Freebsd-net. > > Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting > provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, > because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when > switch

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 19:38:25: >> Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting >> provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, >> because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when >> switches' ports are limited to 100Mbi

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:29:13: > basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex > link partner: 100baseTx-HD It looks VERY strange. How could id be? -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov ___ freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list http:/

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Artyom Viklenko
11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov пишет: Hello, Brian. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 19:38:25: Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when s

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Marius. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:36:44: >> I've discussed this problem in local (Russian-speaking) FreeBSD >> community, and there are several people in DC 13 who HAVE these >> problems and found different solutions, but all non-technical ones: >> order gigabit connectivity, or pa

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex basic status: link ok capabilities: 1000baseT

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Artyom. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:39:33: >>link partner: 100baseTx-HD > ^ > Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? Yep, I've noticed that too... > May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. Or disabled... And

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Artyom Viklenko
11.01.2011 21:48, Bjoern A. Zeeb пишет: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex basic status: link

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Brian Reichert
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 09:39:33PM +0200, Artyom Viklenko wrote: > 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: > Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? > > May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. I've seen some Linux drivers fail back to half-duplex under these

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Freebsd-net. > > Very large and famous (due to very attractive prices) hosting > provider Hetzner.de discards FreeBSD support on dedicated servers, > because these servers can niot negotiate 100Mbit/DUPLEX when > switch

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:48, Bjoern A. Zeeb : On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Artyom Viklenko wrote: 11.01.2011 21:29, Lev Serebryakov ?: r...@rescue ~ # mii-tool -v eth0 eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok product info: vendor 00:07:32, model 17 rev 2 basic mode:

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Marius Strobl
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 01:53:30PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Yamagi. > You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 13:30:23: > > > Hi, > > I've got several Hetzner EQ4 and on all these machines FreeBSD 8.1 runs > > just fine. I've never seen this strange negotiation problem myself. But > > maybe I w

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Artyom. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 22:57:17: > Is it possible to see status from corresponding port on Juniper switch? > Config part for this port on the switch would be also very interesting. I (as customer with server which has problem) could ask techsupport tomorrow. But, maybe, they

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 23:00:07: > rgephy(4) currently always use auto-negotiation to work-around link > establishment issues reported in past. I think, it is the root of the problem. Autonegotiation is DISABLED on these ports. I think, some additional mediaopt (like force-hal

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:50:49PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Artyom. > You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 22:39:33: > > >>link partner: 100baseTx-HD > > ^ > > Looks very strange for me... 'HD' means half-duplex? > Yep, I've noticed that too... > > > Ma

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:37:31PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Brian. > You wrote 11 ?? 2011 ?., 22:29:13: > > > basic mode: 100 Mbit, full duplex > > link partner: 100baseTx-HD > It looks VERY strange. How could id be? This is normal if the link partner doesn't do autonego

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:31:10AM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Pyun. > You wrote 11 января 2011 г., 23:00:07: > > > rgephy(4) currently always use auto-negotiation to work-around link > > establishment issues reported in past. > I think, it is the root of the problem. Autonegotiation

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-11 Thread sthaug
> > May be linux driver defaults to full-duplex if autoneg fails?.. > > I've seen some Linux drivers fail back to half-duplex under these > circumstances. > > It may very well depend on driver version and hardware (firmware)? > > I admit, I don't know what layer is responsible for handling > aut

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Bernd. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:03:14: > I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with autonegotian if autonegotian > is disabled. > If Linux does full-duplex without autonegotiation then _they_ do it wrong > and Hetzner shouldn't rely on wrong behavour. As far as I understand, Linux

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:45:26: > That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex > media option in your manual configuration. What do you mean by this? Without this media options it will be 100Mbit half-duplex when switch port want 100Mbit full-duplex. With

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread sthaug
> > I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with autonegotian if autonegotian > > is disabled. > > If Linux does full-duplex without autonegotiation then _they_ do it wrong > > and Hetzner shouldn't rely on wrong behavour. > As far as I understand, Linux does full-duplex without > autonegotiation

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Sthaug. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 12:14:14: > Manual configuration of FD for 100 Mbps is not in violation of the > standards. What the standards say (for 100 Mbps) is that *if* you have > one end configured for autonegotiation *and* the other end is manually > configured for full duplex,

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: media: Ethernet 100baseTX (100baseTX ) I can see what's going on here. Link partner used forced media configuration, probably 100baseTX/full-duplex, and re(4)'s resolved link is 100b

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:03:03PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Pyun. > You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 1:45:26: > > > > That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex > > media option in your manual configuration. > What do you mean by this? Without this media options it

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:36:09AM +, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > >On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:47:29PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > >> > >> media: Ethernet 100baseTX (100baseTX ) > > > >I can see what's going on here. Link partner used forced media

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Pyun. You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 20:32:42: >> > That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex >> > media option in your manual configuration. >> What do you mean by this? Without this media options it will be >> 100Mbit half-duplex when switch port want 100Mbit full-

Re: Juniper e3k with ports limitied to 100Mbit and re NICs on MSI MoBo: problems with duplex negotiation (Hetzner host provider discard FreeBSD support due this bug)

2011-01-12 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:56:19PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Pyun. > You wrote 12 января 2011 г., 20:32:42: > > > >> > That had been supported for long time. Just remove full-duplex > >> > media option in your manual configuration. > >> What do you mean by this? Without this media