ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Randy Bush
this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ as openssh seems not to be fixing it (and i do not consider a 2mb fixed buffer to be fixed, especially not from a 100mb link here in tokyo and servers in the states, europe, and africa), per

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Losher
Randy Bush wrote: this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ as openssh seems not to be fixing it (and i do not consider a 2mb fixed buffer to be fixed, especially not from a 100mb link here in tokyo and servers in the states, euro

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: >> this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. >> >>http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ >> >> as openssh seems not to be fixing it (and i do not consider a 2mb fixed >> buffer to be fixed

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > > Randy Bush wrote: > >> this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. > >> > >>http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > >> > >> as openssh seems not to be fixi

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Randy Bush
Ian Smith wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > > > Randy Bush wrote: > > >> this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. > > >> > > >>http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > > >> > > >

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:29:45 +0900 > From: Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ian Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > > > > Randy Bush wrote: > > > >> this has been a cau

Re: ssh window

2008-06-12 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooks Davis writes: >On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: >> FYI - HPN is already a build option in the openssh-portable port. > >I do think we should strongly consider adding the rest of it to the base. Am I the only one who would be happ

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
Brooks Davis wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: Randy Bush wrote: this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ as openssh seems not to be fixing it (and i do not consider a 2mb fixed buffer to be f

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
Garrett Wollman wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooks Davis writes: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: FYI - HPN is already a build option in the openssh-portable port. I do think we should strongly consider adding the rest of it to the base. Am I the only

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base > system at all? I always have to install the port anyway; having it in > the base just gives me more files I need to delete after an install. Well, it's not going to get any bette

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Brooks Davis
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:02:07PM +0200, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Brooks Davis wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: >>> Randy Bush wrote: this has been a cause of great pain for a lng time. http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooks > Davis writes: > > >On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:30:05PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > >> FYI - HPN is already a build option in the opens

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base >> system at all? > Quite possibly :) > I don't think it's at all viable to ship FreeBSD without an ssh client > in this day and age. If that were what I had suggested, you might have a p

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:39 -0400 > From: Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > < said: > > > Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base > >> system at all? > > > Quite possibly :) > > > I don't think it

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
Brooks Davis wrote: It is worth noting that over most people's WAN's the none cipher is pretty pointless since you can do nearly 200Mbps with arcfour and a decent CPU (IIRC the graphs are several years old). In my case I'm CPU bound from other processes, so reducing SSH overhead will have a n

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Steven Hartland
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooks Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base system at all? I always have to install the port anyway; having it in the base just gives me more files I need to delete after an install. (Hei

Re: ssh window

2008-06-13 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: "Steven Hartland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:32:39 +0100 > > >> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brooks > >> Am I the only one who would be happier if openssh were not in the base > >> system at all? I always have to ins