Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-18 Thread Wes Peters
On Thursday 18 December 2003 09:07, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Wes Peters wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 December 2003 03:35 pm, Charles Swiger wrote: > > > On Dec 16, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: > > > > I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD > > > >

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-18 Thread Barney Wolff
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 06:38:05PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > Can a brothah get a ping "as fast as we can get responses back" (like > Juniper's ping rapid) around here? Well, you can compile a kernel without options ICMP_BANDLIM or (I believe) set sysctl net.inet.icmp.icmplim=0 . --

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-18 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:32:32PM -0800, Bill Fumerola wrote: > [ this isn't really -net material ] > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 07:50:57PM -0800, Kevin Stevens wrote: > > > >First, Barney was correct: using "ping -f" will run into the ICMP > > >response limitation. Try using "ping -i 0.01 _hos

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-18 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Wes Peters wrote: > On Tuesday 16 December 2003 03:35 pm, Charles Swiger wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: > > > I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD 4.9-STABLE > > > connected through a Netgear DS108 hub (10/100). > > >

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-17 Thread Wes Peters
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 03:35 pm, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Dec 16, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: > > I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD 4.9-STABLE > > connected through a Netgear DS108 hub (10/100). > > If the device works at both 10 and 100 speed, it's

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-17 Thread Charles Swiger
On Dec 17, 2003, at 9:34 AM, Bill Vermillion wrote: I've not tried the ping but I'm seeing exceptionally poor performance on G4s to FreeBSD. The G4's can ftp to each other at about 8-9MB/sec, as can the FreeBSDs. They are on a Cisco 2948 switch. But ftp from BSD to G4 is in the order of 20-40KB/

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-17 Thread Bill Vermillion
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 17:58 , while impersonating an expert on the internet, Alex sent this to stdout: > First, I know very little about networking, especially > performance turning. I would really like to learn more but don't > know where/how to start effectively. > I have a small home networ

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Kevin Stevens
I apologize to the list for my results not being germane to the conversation. I can confirm that OS X also implements an ICMP restriction (net.inet.icmp.icmplim) which similarly limits responses (default is 250), and would account for the OP's results when testing toward the PowerBook. As for

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Dec 16, 2003, at 20:32, Bill Fumerola wrote: I wish I had a FreeBSD box to check this on, but from an OS X G5 to an Athlon WinXP box (both at 100% CPU from distribfolding client: which is completely irrelevant because your winxp machine doesn't have the aforementioned icmp response limiter. Tha

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Bill Fumerola
[ this isn't really -net material ] On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 07:50:57PM -0800, Kevin Stevens wrote: > >First, Barney was correct: using "ping -f" will run into the ICMP > >response limitation. Try using "ping -i 0.01 _hostname_", instead, > >and you may find out that you don't have a problem wi

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Dec 16, 2003, at 17:32, Charles Swiger wrote: On Dec 16, 2003, at 7:22 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: [ ... ] First, Barney was correct: using "ping -f" will run into the ICMP response limitation. Try using "ping -i 0.01 _hostname_", instead, and you may find out that you don't have a pro

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Charles Swiger
On Dec 16, 2003, at 7:22 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: [ ... ] First, Barney was correct: using "ping -f" will run into the ICMP response limitation. Try using "ping -i 0.01 _hostname_", instead, and you may find out that you don't have a problem with packet loss at all at this lower speed.

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread ander Sendzimir
I'm responding to several people at once. References to material to read is fine in place of personal descriptions. However, you know, the 'personal touch' is always good :-) The only thing better than FBSD is the mailing lists. Thanks, folks. Alex On Tuesday, D

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Barney Wolff
Folks, see sysctl net.inet.icmp.icmplim for why you get packet loss on a flood ping. It has nothing to do with duplex, hub/switch or problems with equipment. Make it 0 to remove the limit, I believe. Barney ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://list

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Eli Dart
In reply to Alex (ander Sendzimir) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > First, I know very little about networking, especially performance > turning. I would really like to learn more but don't know where/how to > start effectively. Take a look at the tools ttcp, netperf and iperf. They build straight ou

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Charles Swiger wrote: > If the device works at both 10 and 100 speed, it's a switch, not a hub. It is sold as a hub. Most of these "dual-speed" hubs are/were two hubs, one of each speed, with a two-port internal switch connecting them. The physical ports would auto-join to

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Charles Swiger
On Dec 16, 2003, at 6:32 PM, Barney Wolff wrote: You're seeing icmp rate-limiting. Don't worry about it. Whoops, I didn't pay particular attention to the "-f" option, but you're absolutely right... -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://li

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Alex wrote: > I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD 4.9-STABLE > connected through a Netgear DS108 hub (10/100). The FBSD box is a dual > Xeon 500MHz with Intel Etherexpress 100/Pro (MS440GX motherboard). If > for some reason it makes a difference, there is

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Charles Swiger
On Dec 16, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Alex (ander Sendzimir) wrote: I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD 4.9-STABLE connected through a Netgear DS108 hub (10/100). If the device works at both 10 and 100 speed, it's a switch, not a hub. Anyway, the very high rates of packet loss you rep

Re: suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread Barney Wolff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:58:08PM -0500, Alex wrote: > First, I know very little about networking, especially performance > turning. I would really like to learn more but don't know where/how to > start effectively. You're seeing icmp rate-limiting. Don't worry about it. -- Barney Wolff

suffering from poor network performance...

2003-12-16 Thread ander Sendzimir
First, I know very little about networking, especially performance turning. I would really like to learn more but don't know where/how to start effectively. I have a small home network with a PowerBook G4 and FBSD 4.9-STABLE connected through a Netgear DS108 hub (10/100). The FBSD box is a dual