Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
I have strong opinions against this, at least for ports with an active maintainer. I really see these deprecation campaigns as treading on somebody's toes. I really like linimon's periodic emails FreeBSD ports that you maintain which are currently marked broken, which I see as a reminder that

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Frederic Culot
I have strong opinions against this, at least for ports with an active maintainer. I really see these deprecation campaigns as treading on somebody's toes. I really like linimon's periodic emails FreeBSD ports that you maintain which are currently marked broken, which I see as a reminder

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:45:38PM +0200, Frederic Culot wrote: To conciliate such a necessary action without hurting the feelings of those maintainers who despite their work could not update the state of their port in a timely manner, maybe it would be good to be more verbose in the log of

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 2012-Apr-10, 06:56, Mark Linimon wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:45:38PM +0200, Frederic Culot wrote: To conciliate such a necessary action without hurting the feelings of those maintainers who despite their work could not update the state of their port in a timely manner, maybe it

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Marcelo Araujo
2012/4/10 Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:45:38PM +0200, Frederic Culot wrote: To conciliate such a necessary action without hurting the feelings of those maintainers who despite their work could not update the state of their port in a timely manner, maybe it

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 02:21:42PM +0200, Pietro Cerutti wrote: The maintainer might be waiting for something to happen either upstream or in our infrastructure, which could release the port from brokenness. Putting a comment about that in the Makefile might go a long way to minimizing

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 09:32:47AM -0300, Marcelo Araujo wrote: There is nothing more frustrating than try to install a port and it doesn't fetch or doesn't build. That's been my main point of worry all along (more personally than as portmgr), and why I think the deprecation campaigns do more

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2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 2012-Apr-10, 09:32, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 01:45:38PM +0200, Frederic Culot wrote: To conciliate such a necessary action without hurting the feelings of those maintainers who despite their work could not update the

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:40:09 -0500 Mark Linimon articulated: Finally, I agree that FreeBSD can't guarantee any given ports will work, but I think we owe the users the effort to make sure if a port is included, it's at least not completely useless. To guarantee that the port will work is

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2012-04-10 Thread Mel Flynn
On 4/10/2012 14:44, Pietro Cerutti wrote: I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In theory, it tickles administrators to look for alternatives if they depend on the port or fork a working copy of the port in their local infrastructure and

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2012-04-10 Thread Marcelo Araujo
2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of view, no make sense have a bunch of ports that actually doesn't works or because there is a fetch problem or even it is set as BROKEN. Who

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2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 2012-Apr-10, 11:20, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of view, no make sense have a bunch of ports that actually doesn't works or because there

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 2012-Apr-10, 09:04, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:40:09 -0500 Mark Linimon articulated: Finally, I agree that FreeBSD can't guarantee any given ports will work, but I think we owe the users the effort to make sure if a port is included, it's at least not completely useless.

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2012-04-10 Thread Marcelo Araujo
2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org On 2012-Apr-10, 11:20, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of view, no make sense have a bunch of

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2012-04-10 Thread Mel Flynn
On 4/10/2012 16:47, Pietro Cerutti wrote: On 2012-Apr-10, 11:20, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of view, no make sense have a bunch of ports that

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Chris Rees
On 10 April 2012 14:56, Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org wrote: On 2012-Apr-10, 09:04, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:40:09 -0500 Mark Linimon articulated: Finally, I agree that FreeBSD can't guarantee any given ports will work, but I think we owe the users the effort to make sure if a

Re: cvs commit: ports/games/8kingdoms Makefile ports/misc/airoflash Makefile ports/graphics/autopano-sift Makefile ports/x11/avant-window-navigator-xfce4 Makefile ports/lang/boo Makefile ports/x11/cl-

2012-04-10 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 2012-Apr-10, 17:17, Mel Flynn wrote: On 4/10/2012 16:47, Pietro Cerutti wrote: On 2012-Apr-10, 11:20, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of

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2012-04-10 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 04:47:41PM +0200, Pietro Cerutti wrote: On 2012-Apr-10, 11:20, Marcelo Araujo wrote: 2012/4/10 Pietro Cerutti g...@freebsd.org I might agree on that. But how is a DEPRECATED port better than a BROKEN one in this regard? In my point of view, no make