Re: calcru negative-time messages 4.X vs 5.X

2004-01-25 Thread Charlie Schluting
> Please help if you can. I am not the only one with this problem, I wonder if others have given up and gone back to versions 4.X... Thank you all, Roy I wish there was a solution to this.. I've search for many moons. My problem is that I can't upgrade my firewall, because I have bad RAM. Make b

Re: CVSup newbies question

2004-01-25 Thread Kent Stewart
On Sunday 25 January 2004 10:11 pm, meimi wrote: > Hello everyone, > I have following the instruction on > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > to install cvsup on my computer. I think CVSup is installed correctly > and running smoothly. > I am using CVSup to u

Re: open office install fails after two days of installing

2004-01-25 Thread Chris Pressey
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:32:27 -0800 chip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, I downloaded and installed the .tbz file, moved it to /usr/local > and ran pkg_add. It finished, and the instructions on the screen say to > just run openoffice on the command line and answer a few questions. When > I ru

Re: open office install fails after two days of installing

2004-01-25 Thread chip
Okay, I downloaded and installed the .tbz file, moved it to /usr/local and ran pkg_add. It finished, and the instructions on the screen say to just run openoffice on the command line and answer a few questions. When I run the command I get command not found, as user and as root. What did I do w

Re: CVSup newbies question

2004-01-25 Thread Chris Pressey
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:11:41 +0800 "meimi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > I have following the instruction on > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > to install cvsup on my computer. I think CVSup is installed correctly > and running smoothly. >

Re: macromedia plugin question

2004-01-25 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 01:23:12AM +, marlon corleone wrote: > We are unable to locate a single Web player that best matches your platform > and operating system. > Please visit our table of recommended Web players. . > > > where can i get macromedia plugins for freebsd 5.2? is it included i

Re: Intel 815 + Floppy

2004-01-25 Thread Chris Pressey
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:45:59 -0600 (CST) David Short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of my machines has a motherboard with and Intel 815 chipset. > Well, after installing the 5.x series (5.1, 5.2), you cannot mount a > floppy. It gives you Input/Output errors. However, in the 4.x series > (4.8

CVSup newbies question

2004-01-25 Thread meimi
Hello everyone, I have following the instruction on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html to install cvsup on my computer. I think CVSup is installed correctly and running smoothly. I am using CVSup to update my port trees. Does that mean I will get all the latest

diskless warnings

2004-01-25 Thread rwong10
Hi So...I finally got diskless booting to work. But on boot up, I get these kinds of warnings, are these expected or is there a way to correct them and shut mfs up? Jan 25 22:12:35 chimera /tftpboot/kernel.nv_diskless: Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 26. I am currently 4.8R

Re: How to forge make a port with no checksum

2004-01-25 Thread Gautam Gopalakrishnan
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 06:39:30AM +0300, Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: > Sorry for lamer's question. But I don't know how to make a port without > checksum. Where to put the const NO_CHECKSUM??? in the Makefile or in the > make command? (and how) make NO_CHECKSUM=yes (targets) Gautam _

Re: CPU usage goes way up on 5.1 when memory is added

2004-01-25 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:22:51 -0600, Quintin Riis wrote > Install GENERIC kernel and see if the problem persists. > > Quintin > I played around with various options this weekend. First I tried just switching the scheduler to the 4BSD version and got this: cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 i

How to forge make a port with no checksum

2004-01-25 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
Sorry for lamer's question. But I don't know how to make a port without checksum. Where to put the const NO_CHECKSUM??? in the Makefile or in the make command? (and how) Thank you for any reply. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/

Intel 815 + Floppy

2004-01-25 Thread David Short
Let me start by saying that I LOVE FreeBSD---I love it for servers & I love to use it on the desktop! I have merely one simple question for you all and that is this: One of my machines has a motherboard with and Intel 815 chipset. Well, after installing the 5.x series (5.1, 5.2), you cannot

Re: Devfs not creating da0, 1, etcetera on 5.2

2004-01-25 Thread srenna
Here's what dmesg is showing: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE #3: Thu Jan 22 22:04:58 EST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/

Re: Spam Assassin?

2004-01-25 Thread Eric F Crist
Ok folks, I'm very, very overwhelmed here. I think it comes from trying to setup too many things at once. I have sendmail running (from base install). I need to get SpamAssassin and Procmail working, with users having the ability to opt-out of the spam filtering. I mainly offer POP3 mail ac

Re: Devfs not creating da0, 1, etcetera on 5.2

2004-01-25 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 05:28:16PM -0800, scott renna wrote: > I have been struggling trying to get a USB external > CDRW to work recently and I've noticed that within > /dev, the devices da0 are not present. I don't think a CDRW would be attached as a da0 device (CD devices are usually cd dev

Devfs not creating da0, 1, etcetera on 5.2

2004-01-25 Thread scott renna
I have been struggling trying to get a USB external CDRW to work recently and I've noticed that within /dev, the devices da0 are not present. da is present in my kernel as is scbus. I'm wondering how to go about creating them manually. any advice on this? __

macromedia plugin question

2004-01-25 Thread marlon corleone
We are unable to locate a single Web player that best matches your platform and operating system. Please visit our table of recommended Web players. . where can i get macromedia plugins for opera 7.23 running freebsd 5.2? is it included in ports? ___

macromedia plugin question

2004-01-25 Thread marlon corleone
We are unable to locate a single Web player that best matches your platform and operating system. Please visit our table of recommended Web players. . where can i get macromedia plugins for freebsd 5.2? is it included in ports? _ Th

Re: Installing Apache and mod_ssl

2004-01-25 Thread Mauricio
At 16:55 -0800 1/25/04, Aaron Wohl wrote: Apache is in the /usr/ports collection. For general use its best to use one of those as it takes care of installing any libraries it needs into /usr/local. If you: cd /usr/ports/www/apache2 make install It will take care of everything. If you want to look a

Re: My USB mouse not working in FreeBSD 5.1

2004-01-25 Thread Adam Bozanich
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Shaun Friedle wrote: > Hi, > I am very new to FreeBSD, but I'm trying to learn how to use it. This is made very > difficult by not having a mouse. Have you tried adding usbd_enable="YES" to the file /etc/rc.conf? I had the same issue the other day and this fixed it. Go

Re: My USB mouse not working in FreeBSD 5.1

2004-01-25 Thread Andrew Boothman
Shaun Friedle wrote: Hi, I am very new to FreeBSD, but I'm trying to learn how to use it. This is made very difficult by not having a mouse. I have tried searching on Google for a few hours, but haven't fixed the problem yet. Anyway, here it is: My mouse is a "Logitech Cordless Desktop iTouch" o

Re: Installing Apache and mod_ssl

2004-01-25 Thread Aaron Wohl
Apache is in the /usr/ports collection. For general use its best to use one of those as it takes care of installing any libraries it needs into /usr/local. If you: cd /usr/ports/www/apache2 make install It will take care of everything. If you want to look at the sources then look around the subdi

My USB mouse not working in FreeBSD 5.1

2004-01-25 Thread Shaun Friedle
Hi, I am very new to FreeBSD, but I'm trying to learn how to use it. This is made very difficult by not having a mouse. I have tried searching on Google for a few hours, but haven't fixed the problem yet. Anyway, here it is: My mouse is a "Logitech Cordless Desktop iTouch" optical USB mouse. /

RE: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Dom De Vitto
Try: :1,$sX^V^MX?? Where '^' means 'control', e.g. ^V is control-V, ^M is control-M. Control-V can be used to enter any non-printable ascii character. Easy when you know. Dom PS. the same magic works outside of VI, with sed. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - D

Re: Checking out a single port

2004-01-25 Thread Roop Nanuwa
Matthew Seaman wrote: If you go to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/security/pf/ and click on the 'Download this directory in tarball' link at the bottom of the page, you'll get a nice little .tar.gz file containing: You can unpack that directory anywhere on your system and use it

Re: Spam Assassin?

2004-01-25 Thread Jack L. Stone
At 11:48 PM 1.25.2004 +0200, Byron Schlemmer wrote: >On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 06:51, Eric F Crist wrote: >> Where is the Spam Assassin port? The only thing I can find is spamass-milter >> which just USES Spam Assassin. > >Or you might try /usr/ports/mail/bogofilter which I found to be quite a >bit f

Re: open office install fails after two days of installing

2004-01-25 Thread peter lageotakes
--- chip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to install OpenOffice on a PII-350 and > it has been running > make install clean for two days now. It just failed > with this messages - > > > In file included from > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/oo_1.1_src/sch/source/ui/docshell/doc

Re: Spam Assassin?

2004-01-25 Thread Byron Schlemmer
On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 06:51, Eric F Crist wrote: > Where is the Spam Assassin port? The only thing I can find is spamass-milter > which just USES Spam Assassin. Or you might try /usr/ports/mail/bogofilter which I found to be quite a bit faster than SpamAssasin. -- Byron signature.as

recovering partitions (not slices), is it possible?

2004-01-25 Thread José M. Fandiño
Hello, I was trying to install FreeBSD 5.2 in the slice ad0s3 but accidentally I wiped two partitions of my 4.9 system which were in the ad0s2 slice :( ad0s1 -> Linux boot ad0s2 -> FreeBSD 4.9 (deleted partitions) ad0s3 -> FreeBSD 5.2 ad0s4 -> Extended partition they were the root and var par

Re: open office install fails after two days of installing

2004-01-25 Thread Chris
On Sunday 25 January 2004 03:15 pm, chip wrote: > I am trying to install OpenOffice on a PII-350 and it has been running > make install clean for two days now. It just failed with this messages - > > > In file included from > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/oo_1.1_src/sch/source/ui/docshell/

open office install fails after two days of installing

2004-01-25 Thread chip
I am trying to install OpenOffice on a PII-350 and it has been running make install clean for two days now. It just failed with this messages - In file included from /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/oo_1.1_src/sch/source/ui/docshell/docshell.cxx:138: ../../../inc/schview.hxx:110: syntax er

Mounting ISO r/w

2004-01-25 Thread Daniela
Hi list! I need information how to either mount an ISO image r/w or find out what options I must give to mkisofs to recreate it. I have to add and remove some files from the tree, but all other things should stay as they are. I tried vnconfig, but I can't get that thing to mount r/w. Regards, D

BSD on a secondary disk

2004-01-25 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
Hello Sure, the question has been answered a number of times - but I _did_ search on the web and _did_ looked in the handbook, and other places... So, the question is the following: I installed FreeBSD on a disk in one system, where it, probably, was at that time the slave, but I am not sure any

ACL:s are disabled upon reboot into multi-user

2004-01-25 Thread Peter Schuller
Hello, I am trying to enable ACL:s. So I do "shutdown now" to get into single user mode; I verify the fs is mounted read-only and do "tunefs -a enable /dev/da1s1a". I "reboot" -> "boot -s" into single user mode and "tunefs -p /dev/da1s1a" still reports ACLs enabled. So I "reboot" again and let the

Re: nslookup and reverse lookup failure of nameserver under 5.2-RELEASE

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:13:06AM -0800, Matthew Fremont wrote: > The nameserver is working properly, and commands like > dig(1), host(1), telnet(1), and ftp(1), are able to > sucessfully resolve names. The problem appears to be > isolated to nslookup(8). > > If memory serves me correctly, at som

Re: Mounting free space

2004-01-25 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:41:08 -0500 Robert Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On FreeBSD 5.2 I have a RAID-5 host drive with 100GB of free space. What > can I use to mount this free space? I tried the Disk Label Editor in > /stand/sysinstall, but it does not seem to hold my settings when > cr

nslookup and reverse lookup failure of nameserver under 5.2-RELEASE

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Fremont
While doing some post-install config on a new 5.2-RELEASE system, I encountered a problem where nslookup fails because it isn't able to perform a successful reverse lookup of the DNS server's IP. For example: $ nslookup www.freebsd.org *** Can't find server name for address 172.16.0.1: Non-existe

Re: Cricket setup help

2004-01-25 Thread Toomas Aas
Hi! > Long agao, and far away I set up mrtg to monitor various aspects of a > nrtwork. Twoard the end of this excersise, I remeber being frustrated by > some limitations of mrtg. I looked around, ad decided that if I ever needed > to do this job again, I'd use cricket. > > Well, the time has come

Re: nss_ldap, sendmail and ls

2004-01-25 Thread Dan Welch
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 02:09:29PM -0500, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > I've built a mailserver with FreeBSD 5.1, which uses nss_ldap for the > user database, and sendmail-ldap from the port collection. Everything > works fine except forward files. I've arranged sendmail to keep them > all in

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Albert Vest
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:02:51 -0500 Avijit Pathania <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like your file might have been edited in a dos text editor. You > can try running dos2unix against it to see if that helps. Looks like a jump to conclusions. I find the same artifact every time I run script (

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Eric Dyer
One thing that works from the command line too col -bx < oldfile > newfile && mv newfile oldfile Picked that up from a freebsd box that had a freebsd-tips or something like that fortune file running on login At 09:27 AM 1/25/2004, Greg Wooledge wrote: If *every* line ends with ^M (which is almo

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
If *every* line ends with ^M (which is almost always going to be the case, if the file has been produced on a DOS/Windows system), then you can just use this: :%s/.$// to delete the last character of each line. This has an obvious downside, but the advantages are that it's easier to type and to

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Dan Welch
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:43:21AM +, marlon corleone wrote: > how do i get rid of this annoying character ^M using vi, in pico i used the > arguments '-w' > but what about in vi? This colon (ed) command works in FreeBSD's included vi's command mode: :%s/^M//g followed by pressing Enter. T

Re: Mounting free space

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:31:41AM -0500, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 06:03, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > You need to edit that, using the command: > > > > # bsdlabel -e aac0s1 > > > > which will put you into the editor specified in your $EDITOR > > environment variable (de

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Bernard El-Hagin
Kent Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sunday 25 January 2004 01:43 am, marlon corleone wrote: >> how do i get rid of this annoying character ^M using vi, in pico i >> used the arguments '-w' >> but what about in vi? > > >starting on the 1st line type >:.,$s/vm// > >The .,$ tells it to proces

IPFW

2004-01-25 Thread Pons
I have configured a FreeBSD 5.1 rel box 2 NIC's (Ext.ip/Int.ip) with ipfw/natd/squid the setup is working, but still _FLAT_ it means i am using the default IPFW configuration firewall_type="open" I want to give more security to my internal network by stoping/limiting unneccessary traffic in/out so

calcru negative-time messages 4.X vs 5.X

2004-01-25 Thread RA Cohen
I am still unable to get rid of these on my 5.2 installation running on AMD K6-2 450 MHz hardware. FBSD 4.9 ran just fine on this box with nary a hiccup. I am ruling out faulty hardware as the culprit as I test loaded 4.9 back on the system yesterday and saw not a one of the above messages. The s

Re: Mounting free space

2004-01-25 Thread Robert Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 06:03, Matthew Seaman wrote: > You need to edit that, using the command: > > # bsdlabel -e aac0s1 > > which will put you into the editor specified in your $EDITOR > environment variable (defaults to: vi(1)) with that text in there. > Edit the text so that it looks like:

Re: /dev/dsp: Device busy

2004-01-25 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Sunday 25 January 2004 14:42, Stephen Martin wrote: > Geert, > > I was having this specific problem when trying to use mplayer. What I did > was change the "Autosuspend if idle for" setting. It can be found in > Control Center -> Sounds & Multimedia -> Sound System -> aRTs tab (feels > vaguely l

bktr and AverTV Studio 305

2004-01-25 Thread Anton Nikiforov
Dear ALL! Maybe there is someone here who knows how to setup Subj. The matter is: I have new AverMedia AverTV Studio 305 Ru Computer running FreeBSD 4.9P1 with kernel configuration file have the following lines: device bktr device iicbus device iicbb device sm

Re: /dev/dsp: Device busy

2004-01-25 Thread Stephen Martin
Geert, I was having this specific problem when trying to use mplayer. What I did was change the "Autosuspend if idle for" setting. It can be found in Control Center -> Sounds & Multimedia -> Sound System -> aRTs tab (feels vaguely like describing a windows problem :). I set mine at 5 seconds. Your

Problem with KDE

2004-01-25 Thread Gerard Seibert
I have suddenly started receiving a strange error message when shutting down KDE 3.1. The message starts with: FATAL : DCOP communication problem! Jan 25 0:16:20 rcn kernel : pid 642 (kdeinit), uid ) : exited on signal 6 (core dumped) The message repeats over and over with only the pid number i

nss_ldap, sendmail and ls

2004-01-25 Thread Andrea Venturoli
Hello. I've built a mailserver with FreeBSD 5.1, which uses nss_ldap for the user database, and sendmail-ldap from the port collection. Everything works fine except forward files. I've arranged sendmail to keep them all in one directory by user name; however this only works for users which are in

Re[2]: Bridge problem

2004-01-25 Thread Alex
Hello Bjorn, Monday, January 19, 2004, 11:05:49 PM, you wrote: >> I have a three ethernet adapter and need to bridge two of them >> (like an Ethernet switch but with firewall) >> But i have a some problem... >> When i enter >> # sysctl net.link.ether.bridge_cfg=lnc0:0,lnc1:0 >> i saw next: n

Re: /dev/dsp: Device busy

2004-01-25 Thread Daniela
On Sunday 25 January 2004 09:51, Geert Hendrickx wrote: > On Sunday 25 January 2004 02:46, George Vagner wrote: > > if your dual booting i found you must turn off power before you boot into > > bsd > > something with windows on a "restart" dont fully reset the soundcard on > > mine. > > toshiba sat

Re: CVSup and portupgrade?

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 02:14:08AM -0800, Vanh wrote: > I'm a FreeBSD newbie. Just got it installed last weekend. I have read > the FreeBSD handbook, but still have some question. What is the > different between cvsup and portupgrade? Do I need to use both? If not, > which one is better? You need

Re: Checking out a single port

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 11:29:45PM -0800, Roop Nanuwa wrote: > As an example, say I want to install OpenBSD's pf that's been ported to > FreeBSD. Can I > get the files in > /usr/ports/securty/pf > without having to get all the files in other directories of > /usr/ports/security as well? If you

Re: help O_o

2004-01-25 Thread Nils Vogels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was securiting my Box ,,,and then i used to have alex on wheel group so i su to root, but i modify and change su to antother group and then i ,,, chmod o-xr /bin/su and chmod g-xy /bin/su ...no now i cannot login ..from my terminal or from my boz, i dont hace root enable

Re: Mounting free space

2004-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:13:40PM -0500, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > On FreeBSD 5.2 I have a RAID-5 host drive with 100GB of free space. What > can I use to mount this free space? I tried the Disk Label Editor in > /stand/sysinstall, but it does not seem to hold my settings when > creating and the

Re: CVSup and portupgrade?

2004-01-25 Thread Kent Stewart
On Sunday 25 January 2004 02:14 am, Vanh wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a FreeBSD newbie. Just got it installed last weekend. I have read > the FreeBSD handbook, but still have some question. What is the > different between cvsup and portupgrade? Do I need to use both? If > not, which one is better? > C

CVSup and portupgrade?

2004-01-25 Thread Vanh
Hi all, I'm a FreeBSD newbie. Just got it installed last weekend. I have read the FreeBSD handbook, but still have some question. What is the different between cvsup and portupgrade? Do I need to use both? If not, which one is better? Vanh ___ [EMAIL

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Avijit Pathania
Looks like your file might have been edited in a dos text editor. You can try running dos2unix against it to see if that helps. marlon corleone wrote: how do i get rid of this annoying character ^M using vi, in pico i used the arguments '-w' but what about in vi? cheers __

Re: how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread Kent Stewart
On Sunday 25 January 2004 01:43 am, marlon corleone wrote: > how do i get rid of this annoying character ^M using vi, in pico i > used the arguments '-w' > but what about in vi? > starting on the 1st line type :.,$s/vm// The .,$ tells it to process from the current line to the last one. Then, yo

Re: /dev/dsp: Device busy

2004-01-25 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Sunday 25 January 2004 02:46, George Vagner wrote: > if your dual booting i found you must turn off power before you boot into > bsd > something with windows on a "restart" dont fully reset the soundcard on > mine. > toshiba satellite S2805-401 P3 700 with yamaha 741 soundcard. No Windows invol

how to get rid of ^M character using vi

2004-01-25 Thread marlon corleone
how do i get rid of this annoying character ^M using vi, in pico i used the arguments '-w' but what about in vi? cheers _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-01-04 - 2004-01-24

2004-01-25 Thread Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list arc

Checking out a single port

2004-01-25 Thread Roop Nanuwa
Hello, On my firewall/gateway I have very limited disk space so I can't afford to have the entire ports tree checked out. I would like to be able to check out the skeleton for a single port so I can install just that when need be (I do have the base required files for the ports tree instal

Re: Why BSD?

2004-01-25 Thread Jason M. Leonard
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Jesse Guardiani wrote: > Jason M. Leonard wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Jesse Guardiani wrote: > > > >> Jeff Elkins wrote: > >> > >> > This is not a troll. > >> > > >> > I've installed FreeBSD 5.2 on a spare SCSI drive and am compiling > >> > kernels, updating ports, etc,