Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-24 Thread claudiu vasadi
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Stas Verberkt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:24:20PM +0100, claudiu vasadi wrote: > > >From my point of view, I would like to see 2 major things in bsdinstall: > > > > 1) ZFS support > > 2) an option, to use GUI or text mode installer (similar to RHEL, CentOS,

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Stas Verberkt
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:24:20PM +0100, claudiu vasadi wrote: > >From my point of view, I would like to see 2 major things in bsdinstall: > > 1) ZFS support > 2) an option, to use GUI or text mode installer (similar to RHEL, CentOS, > Solaris) 3) GELI disk encryption pgpWKcdL5irSY.pgp Descrip

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread gore
On Monday 23 January 2012 08:45:21 pm Da Rock wrote: *snip* > > Instead of crawling under a Rock, how about everyone here, ALL of > > the people I've seen in this thread trashing each other; ALL of > > you, just take 60 seconds, take a DEEP breath, and realize we ARE a > > Community, which is a lot

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Da Rock
On 01/24/12 11:33, gore wrote: On Monday 23 January 2012 12:17:33 pm Mark Felder wrote: I've recently been presented with new information: namely that RC3 had sysinstall as an option (I did not know this, and I've been reading the lists) and that it was taken away for -RELEASE even though it was

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread gore
On Monday 23 January 2012 01:29:23 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > because, well, I LOVE FreeBSD. Basically, I've tried out NetBSD > > ONCE, > > actually i used NetBSD BEFORE switching to FreeBSD, short time after > they released 2.0 and following versions. Got slower, unstable and > bloated. Switche

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread gore
On Monday 23 January 2012 12:17:33 pm Mark Felder wrote: > I've recently been presented with new information: namely that RC3 > had sysinstall as an option (I did not know this, and I've been > reading the lists) and that it was taken away for -RELEASE even > though it was agreed upon that would no

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread gore
On Monday 23 January 2012 05:18:01 pm B. Kyle Adkins wrote: > I'm very new to FreeBSD but it seems to me that the installer is > pretty much ok. My only wish is that there might be a little more > info upfront somewhere, preferably in the installer somewhere, about > setting up for a dual boot.

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread B. Kyle Adkins
I'm very new to FreeBSD but it seems to me that the installer is pretty much ok. My only wish is that there might be a little more info upfront somewhere, preferably in the installer somewhere, about setting up for a dual boot. I couldn't find in the handbook, (that may be my fault, don't kn

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 09:52:17AM -0600, Mark Felder wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:40:42 -0600, wrote: > > >On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:27:32 -0600 > >Mark Felder articulated: > > > >>Just as you don't get to express your opinion about the government if > >>you don't vote, > > > >Excuse me, but ar

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread claudiu vasadi
PS: would like to see option "2" in PC-BSD too (maybe I'm just melancholic to have a non-GUI installer :) ) -- Best regards, Claudiu Vasadi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To u

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread claudiu vasadi
>From my point of view, I would like to see 2 major things in bsdinstall: 1) ZFS support 2) an option, to use GUI or text mode installer (similar to RHEL, CentOS, Solaris) Other than that, I can use it just as I was using sysinstall, because we always have ZFS on root (need to drop to shell to ru

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Lyubomir Grigorov
>> I first touched FreeBSD around 2005. The current insteller is much more >> appealing and useful. All the people displaying elitist attitude toward the >> arcaic installer which infact DID push people away from FreeBSD, I don't >> understand you. >so may i explain you: > > Those who cannot instal

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 07:25:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > And IMHO sysinstall should not exist, while good documentation about > installing BY HAND should be there. I agree with the part of that sentence following the comma. That is all. > > Someone that cannot install it him/herse

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 07:30:57PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I first touched FreeBSD around 2005. The current insteller is much more > >appealing and useful. All the people displaying elitist attitude toward the > >arcaic installer which infact DID push people away from FreeBSD, I don't > >u

RE: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Devin Teske
> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:25 AM > To: Damien Fleuriot > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Horrib

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I first touched FreeBSD around 2005. The current insteller is much more appealing and useful. All the people displaying elitist attitude toward the arcaic installer which infact DID push people away from FreeBSD, I don't understand you. so may i explain you: Those who cannot install things witho

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
because, well, I LOVE FreeBSD. Basically, I've tried out NetBSD ONCE, actually i used NetBSD BEFORE switching to FreeBSD, short time after they released 2.0 and following versions. Got slower, unstable and bloated. Switched to FreeBSD, which in every version is getting BETTER not worse. I al

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Allan ___ Erm, you have to realize the new installer was discussed at length here, when 9.0 was still under development/beta/prerelease. Alternatively, you could do like me and install entirely by hand: - boot a

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Mark Felder
I've recently been presented with new information: namely that RC3 had sysinstall as an option (I did not know this, and I've been reading the lists) and that it was taken away for -RELEASE even though it was agreed upon that would not happen for 9.x. I'll crawl under this rock now. __

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:40:42 -0600, wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:27:32 -0600 Mark Felder articulated: Just as you don't get to express your opinion about the government if you don't vote, Excuse me, but are you just trying to look naive? The wording wasn't exactly as clear as it should

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:27:32 -0600 Mark Felder articulated: > Just as you don't get to express your opinion about the government if > you don't vote, Excuse me, but are you just trying to look naive? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ig

Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Mark Felder
All of these complaints can go directly to /dev/null Just as you don't get to express your opinion about the government if you don't vote, you don't get to express your opinion about -RELEASE changes when you didn't run the STABLE/RC/BETAs. You had your chance to help improve FreeBSD for ev

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-22 Thread Johan Hendriks
Michael Sierchio schreef: I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and IMHO, the 9.0 installer SUX! It blow chunks. It's a POS. It's crap. It is a joke. I hope I made myself clear. ;-) - M ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.

Re: * Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-21 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > ... On the other hand, bsdinstall does get the job done, at least for my > purposes.  It just does so in a way that feels a bit more > straightjacketed, and it rubs me personally a bit the wrong way.  ... >From my perspective, it replaces so

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 21 Jan 2012, at 05:47, Michael Sierchio wrote: I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and IMHO, the 9.0 installer SUX! It blow chunks. It's a POS. It's crap. It is a joke. I hope I made myself clear. ;-) - M Just because you see thin

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-21 Thread gore
On Saturday 21 January 2012 12:52:31 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 21 Jan 2012, at 05:47, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and IMHO, the 9.0 > > installer SUX! It blow chunks. It's a POS. It's crap. It is a > > joke. > > > > I hope I made myself clear. ;-) >

Re: * Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:19:32PM -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:43 PM, gore wrote: > > > > why not just use 8.x or something? I'm not being sarcastic > > or anything either, I really am asking why not jut go to 8.2 which I > > also Loved? > > SU+J by Kirk McKusick ?? :-D

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 21 Jan 2012, at 05:47, Michael Sierchio wrote: > I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and IMHO, the 9.0 installer SUX! > It blow chunks. It's a POS. It's crap. It is a joke. > > I hope I made myself clear. ;-) > > - M Just because you see things a certain way doesn't make them a fa

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Just to give thoughts as a younger user... > Also, there was plently of time during RC to discuss this, I don't see why you > all cry right now. To me, it seems you are afraid of change and getting out of > your comfort zone. I don't ha

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Lyubomir Grigorov
Just to give thoughts as a younger user... I first touched FreeBSD around 2005. The current insteller is much more appealing and useful. All the people displaying elitist attitude toward the arcaic installer which infact DID push people away from FreeBSD, I don't understand you. The old install

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Sierchio
I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, and IMHO, the 9.0 installer SUX! It blow chunks. It's a POS. It's crap. It is a joke. I hope I made myself clear. ;-) - M ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

* Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Devin Teske
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:43 PM, gore wrote: [snip] > I also bought the newer 4th Edition when it came out. (Having Marshal > Kirk McKusick do the forward made me happy, he's one of my personal > heros. I also got to speak with him recently and I was almost > speechless

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread gore
I've been sort of keeping track of this particular thread, because it interested me, and after reading through, I'd like to share my personal opinions. Now, before I go any further, let me just state here and now; This is my personal opinion, so, please, don't take this in a bad way, or in the

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 1/20/12 9:36 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 1/19/12 3:25 AM, Allan McKinnon wrote: >>> I finally got to install FreeBSD 9 onto my computer and noticed that >>> the installer is now different. It seems to me that it forces you >>> into doing extra steps that I was comfortable

Re: Horrible installer

2012-01-20 Thread Fbsd8
Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 1/19/12 3:25 AM, Allan McKinnon wrote: I finally got to install FreeBSD 9 onto my computer and noticed that the installer is now different. It seems to me that it forces you into doing extra steps that I was comfortable doing on my own. I really enjoyed the old in