Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Tuesday 21 February 2012 22:18:38 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:53:10 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > > The RK05 had one removable platter in a plastic housing. > > Please compare the images of the drive and the media. > Does it look similar? > > > > Removable platters types E

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread perryh
Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:53:10 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > > The RK05 had one removable platter in a plastic housing. > > Please compare the images of the drive and the media. > Does it look similar? > > Removable platters types EC 5269 in plastic cartridge: > > http://www.robot

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:39:00AM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > > > > AHA. probably an 'RL-05', cousin to the better known "RK-05" > > I had a memory fault -- the RLs were the RL-01 and RL-02. > > > > > > 14" media, in a 'cartridge'. I -think- it was an 'SMD' interface > > > > 14" c

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:53:10 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > The RK05 had one removable platter in a plastic housing. Please compare the images of the drive and the media. Does it look similar? Removable platters types EC 5269 in plastic cartridge: http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/ko

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Tuesday 21 February 2012 13:06:57 Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the mac

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Tuesday 21 February 2012 13:06:57 Robert Bonomi wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has > > > > had several 5M

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Tuesday 21 February 2012 12:26:03 Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > > Hi, > > > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is p

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Tuesday 21 February 2012 13:20:11 Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > > On Tuesday 21 February 2012 12:26:03 Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > > > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > > >

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Doug Hardie
On 20 February 2012, at 22:20, Chip Camden wrote: >>> I believe the 5MB removable were RL01. They also had a 10MB removable >>> RL02, which we used for software distribution. We resold them to our >>> customers at $170 each. >> >> yes, this sound familiar. The RL02 came later. >> >> I think t

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > Hi, > > On Tuesday 21 February 2012 12:26:03 Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - > > >> trying > > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine h

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Erich Dollansky on Tuesday, 21 February 2012: > Hi, > > On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - > > >> trying > > > when I got my hands for the first time

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Monday 20 February 2012 21:44:43 Da Rock wrote: > On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying > > when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has had > > several 5MB hard disks. > > > >

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-20 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 17:47, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 18 February 2012 13:05:49 Lars Eighner wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote: I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under /usr though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone car

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-19 Thread parv
I vote for multiple partitions with user specified names (or at least be able to change /home mount point to something else) & allocated space. in message <4f3f1817.7030...@herveybayaustralia.com.au>, wrote Da Rock thusly... > > On 02/18/12 12:16, Daniel Staal wrote: > > --As of February 17, 2012

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to > have said: > >> man hier True, but /usr/... was a typical place to find users' home directories, since /usr is mounted when the system goes to multiuser mode. /

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to have said: man hier --As for the rest, it is mine. ...Doesn't mention /home (or /usr/home) once. ;) Pointing people to the docs which answers their question is good. But please make sure it actually answers their

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Matthew Story
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > man hier > man 7 hier makes no mention of /home or /usr/home at all ... ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsub

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Michael Sierchio
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Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:16:34PM -0500, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have > said: > > >Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > >with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > >default style for sep

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:56:28 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > /usr/local/libexec is used by the programs usually initiated by users. > As per the man /libexec contains sub programs for those in /bin or /sbin. > > The programs are usually run by users, or run as a user themselves > (multiuser mode). Daem

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Da Rock
On 02/19/12 00:28, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 18/02/2012 13:48, Da Rock wrote: I was thinking along the lines of continuous heavy load of writing (some read) rather large files (5G+ would be average - multiple!) - does that warrant caching or is it only lots of smaller files? That and lots of ~0.5

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 18/02/2012 13:48, Da Rock wrote: > I was thinking along the lines of continuous heavy load of writing (some > read) rather large files (5G+ would be average - multiple!) - does that > warrant caching or is it only lots of smaller files? That and lots of > ~0.5G files (read mostly) is what define

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 23:39, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 18/02/2012 11:36, Da Rock wrote: If I may, can I ask a quick question: My main misgivings about ZFS have been speed, ram use, and up till about a year ago or so relative 'youth' (at least on FreeBSD). What would be the minimum ram you would use for a h

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 18/02/2012 11:36, Da Rock wrote: > If I may, can I ask a quick question: My main misgivings about ZFS have > been speed, ram use, and up till about a year ago or so relative 'youth' > (at least on FreeBSD). What would be the minimum ram you would use for a > high disk use? And what would be reco

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Saturday 18 February 2012 13:05:49 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote: > > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under > > /usr > > though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone care to > > enlighten me? Wha

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 21:39, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:44:13 +1000, Da Rock wrote: BTW I was intending to put across the concept of /usr being user related - anything a user may need or use; as opposed to / for the system related stuff that keeps it running. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I had

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 21:23, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 18/02/2012 10:44, Da Rock wrote: I have yet to try ZFS (lack of resources really), but when I can I will setup a SAN and it will be interesting to see how this works and I probably will use a single partition. But for the general filesystem I doubt a s

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:44:13 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > BTW I was intending to put across the concept of /usr being user related > - anything a user may need or use; as opposed to / for the system > related stuff that keeps it running. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I had > thought... :) There's lots

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 18/02/2012 10:44, Da Rock wrote: > I have yet to try ZFS (lack of resources really), but when I can I will > setup a SAN and it will be interesting to see how this works and I > probably will use a single partition. But for the general filesystem I > doubt a single partition will cut it (I could

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 20:22, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote: It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root.

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote: > It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a > degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a > separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root. I thought of this fact as such a

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:16:39 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/18/12 12:16, Daniel Staal wrote: > > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to > > have said: > > > >> Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > >> with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned

Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-17 Thread Lars Eighner
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote: --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have said: Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ default style for separated partitions include:

Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-17 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 12:16, Daniel Staal wrote: --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have said: Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ default style for separated partitions include: /

/usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-17 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have said: Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ default style for separated partitions include: / swap /tmp /var