Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-09 Thread Scott W
Shantanoo wrote: +++ Scott W [freebsd] [06-01-04 22:39 -0500]: | I know this one may be seen as sacrilege to some, but think about this: | | 1. *BSD uses a fairly significant amount of GNU and GPL licensed | (opposed to the BSD license) code in it. gcc, Perl, XFree86, Apache, | GNU Make,

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-09 Thread Tillman Hodgson
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 06:23:45PM -0500, Scott W wrote: That still doesn't remove (IMHO of course) the validity of my statement about calling FreeBSD and OS but Linux not based on licensing- FreeBSD wouldn't exist in it's current incarnation without the use of GPL and GNU software. Nor

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-01-06 22:39, Scott W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not entirely wrong (which is certainly possible) I thought Alan Cox of Linux kernel fame has also done some work on the BSD kernel(s?)? I hope you're not confusing Alan Cox of Linux fame with our own, different, Alan Cox who happens

RE: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread David D.W. Downey
I think you're missing the point here. There were 2 questions asked in the original thread. First was are there any commercial distributions and second, are there any companies that provide a for-fee support chain. Linux was brought up as a well known example of the types of services being

RE: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread David D.W. Downey
Personally I see nothing wrong with top posting since if you have any involvement with the thread you've been reading, along with the fact that timestamps make chronological ordering easier. However, so as to not offend the Tikki god, or the resident Stick Wavers, I shall endeavor to bottom post.

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Jerry McAllister
Personally I see nothing wrong with top posting since if you have any involvement with the thread you've been reading, along with the fact that timestamps make chronological ordering easier. However, so as to not offend the Tikki god, or the resident Stick Wavers, I shall endeavor to bottom

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Shantanoo
+++ Scott W [freebsd] [06-01-04 22:39 -0500]: | I know this one may be seen as sacrilege to some, but think about this: | | 1. *BSD uses a fairly significant amount of GNU and GPL licensed | (opposed to the BSD license) code in it. gcc, Perl, XFree86, Apache, | GNU Make, autoconf, mysql,

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies)
FreeBSD is different, because the complete OS is developed and managed by the project, including ports. There is basically no need for a distro maker, because FreeBSD _is_ the distro itself (call it the _canonical_ distro, because nothing prevents you from changing stuff and forking off a

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Larry Rosenman
--On Wednesday, January 07, 2004 19:15:37 +0530 Shantanoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Scott W [freebsd] [06-01-04 22:39 -0500]: | I know this one may be seen as sacrilege to some, but think about this: | | 1. *BSD uses a fairly significant amount of GNU and GPL licensed | (opposed to the BSD

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-07 Thread Lucas Holt
Apache's testing platform is FreeBSD. So probably it is release under BSD license. Will have to check it out though. HTTPD might be tested on FreeBSD, but not all apache projects are. Tomcat is tested on sun and linux system I believe. Lucas Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies)
Hi, first of all I want to congratulate you on FreeBSD, it is a really cool system! I have a question regarding the creation of a branded commercial distribution based on FreeBSD. Here is the thing: my company wants to offer a standard corporate Unix desktop that is certified (guaranteed

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies) wrote: [ ... ] I have a question regarding the creation of a branded commercial distribution based on FreeBSD. OK. Here is the thing: my company wants to offer a standard corporate Unix desktop that is certified (guaranteed) to run our enterprise management

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Ceri Davies
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Udo Schr?ter (Trionic Technologies) wrote: Are there any FreeBSD references that MUST be taken out / MUST be left in? Well, you don't have to, but I would really appreciate it if you made sure that send-pr was either removed or changed to submit bugs

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies)
haven't decided yet (however, it is not a consumer product). You're welcome to use BSD software in a commercial distribution. Have fun. If you contribute useful things back, that's nice, but you don't even have to do that much. Great, we had many idea for little tools and stuff like

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies) wrote: [ ... ] Btw, I looked really carefully and couldn't find any FreeBSD-based commercial distro (if you don't count OS X). Am I just to stupid to find one or is this an idea whose time has not come yet? Wind River Systems and other vendors will sell FreeBSD

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Udo Schrter (Trionic Technologies)
Wind River Systems and other vendors will sell FreeBSD CDs, and there are examples of dedicated systems using FreeBSD that come to mind, such as the Nokia IP firewall platform. Or were you talking about a commercial distro in terms of a company that provides/charges for technical support...?

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Lowell Gilbert
=?Windows-1252?Q?Udo_Schr=F6ter_=28Trionic_Technologies=29?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wind River Systems and other vendors will sell FreeBSD CDs, and there are examples of dedicated systems using FreeBSD that come to mind, such as the Nokia IP firewall platform. Or were you talking about

RE: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread David D.W. Downey
And how is that different from Linux? FreeBSD is an Operating System, so is Red Hat, Debian, Stampede, SLS, Slackware, and on and on. FreeBSD does the same thing. FreeBSD didn't develop OpenSSL but it includes it, nor did it develop SSH or swat, but it includes them. Just as linux distributions

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Tillman Hodgson
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:14:41PM -0500, David D.W. Downey wrote: And how is that different from Linux? FreeBSD is an Operating System, so is Red Hat, Debian, Stampede, SLS, Slackware, and on and on. FreeBSD does the same thing. FreeBSD didn't develop OpenSSL but it includes it, nor did it

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Scott W
Tillman Hodgson wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:14:41PM -0500, David D.W. Downey wrote: And how is that different from Linux? FreeBSD is an Operating System, so is Red Hat, Debian, Stampede, SLS, Slackware, and on and on. FreeBSD does the same thing. FreeBSD didn't develop OpenSSL but it

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Scott W
Scott W wrote: Tillman Hodgson wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:14:41PM -0500, David D.W. Downey wrote: And how is that different from Linux? FreeBSD is an Operating System, so is Red Hat, Debian, Stampede, SLS, Slackware, and on and on. FreeBSD does the same thing. FreeBSD didn't develop

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Tillman Hodgson
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 10:39:59PM -0500, Scott W wrote: snip Note that I don't entirely disagree with the response- IMHO, RedHat and SuSe are in fact merely distributions, but Linux as a collection of kernel + core programs is certainly an OS, in the same manner as *BSD is. I think that

Re: Commercial Distribution?

2004-01-06 Thread Cordula's Web
Btw, I looked really carefully and couldn't find any FreeBSD-based commercial distro (if you don't count OS X). Am I just to stupid to find one or is this an idea whose time has not come yet? A Linux distro vendor basically collects components from disparate sources (kernel, gnu, libraries