Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-08-01 Thread PJ
Gardner Bell wrote: Gardner Bell --- On Fri, 7/31/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: From: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca Subject: Re: how to boot or access problem file system To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Friday, July 31, 2009, 8:44 PM

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-08-01 Thread PJ
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Gardner Bell gbel...@rogers.com wrote: The stench from Denmark is getting to me... ;-) Insulting much with your remark about Denmark? Methinks it be an oblique reference to a line from Shakespeare's play about the Dane with no insult intended,

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 30 July 2009 23:14:39 PJ wrote: But isn't it strange that it used to be pretty simple to upgrade and update. But recently, I notice that communication between the developers and users (or is it the manual page writers) are getting far away from the realities of user/operational

Re: UFS2 tuning for heterogeneous 4TB file system

2009-07-31 Thread b. f.
On 7/26/09, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:56 AM, b. f.bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: The file system in question will not have a common file size (which is what, as I understand, bytes per inode should be tuned for). There will be many small files ( 10 KB

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:20:55PM -0400, PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? I forgot to mention

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:36:23PM -0400, PJ wrote: Thanks for replying Roland, I've been struggling with upgrading 7.0 to 7.2... it has taken a lot of my time and I am still not happy. snip Anyway... back to the messed up 7.1 installation. I ran livefs 7.1 and chose option 6 (I think; it was

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:20:55PM -0400, PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? I forgot to mention

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:36:23PM -0400, PJ wrote: Thanks for replying Roland, I've been struggling with upgrading 7.0 to 7.2... it has taken a lot of my time and I am still not happy. snip Anyway... back to the messed up 7.1 installation. I ran livefs 7.1

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 03:12:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:20:55PM -0400, PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 03:42:43PM -0400, PJ wrote: Basically, the news is not good. The directories files are not what I had to begin with. ls /dev/ad0s1 or any disk/slice merely gets: Permission denied. Now that is certainly weird. :-) I've never come across something like that. What do

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? I forgot to mention that your boot sector is fine. If it were screwed up, you wouldn't get to the boot prompt. Since the boot code cannot locate your kernel, there are several things that could

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 03:42:43PM -0400, PJ wrote: Basically, the news is not good. The directories files are not what I had to begin with. ls /dev/ad0s1 or any disk/slice merely gets: Permission denied. Now that is certainly weird. :-) I've never come across

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread PJ
PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 03:42:43PM -0400, PJ wrote: Basically, the news is not good. The directories files are not what I had to begin with. ls /dev/ad0s1 or any disk/slice merely gets: Permission denied. Now that is certainly weird. :-) I've never come

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-31 Thread Gardner Bell
Gardner Bell --- On Fri, 7/31/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: From: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca Subject: Re: how to boot or access problem file system To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: Friday, July 31, 2009, 8:44 PM PJ wrote: Roland

Re: Striping a live file system RAID 10 help

2009-07-30 Thread John Nielsen
to be my entire fs? I can create both mirrors and have the entire fs on one of the mirrors (*mirror0*), but then I need to stripe it with the other mirrors (*mirror1*), and trying to create a stripe (*stripe*) from that a set of mirrors in which one of the mirrors contains the live file system

Re: Striping a live file system RAID 10 help

2009-07-30 Thread chris scott
one of the mirrors contains the live file system does not work, obviously. I was thinking, very generally, of creating the fstab file that I'll need to point to the stripe instead of ad4 for example, rsyncing everything to a disk on a diffferent server, using a live CD to create

how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread PJ
What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? The /usr files should be ok but how to access? I get errors that the file system is full and I have no idea of how to deal with the boot up - the help message is no help! Boot says it cannot find a kernel

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Tim Judd
On 7/30/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? The /usr files should be ok but how to access? I get errors that the file system is full and I have no idea of how to deal with the boot up - the help message

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? Do you mean the filesystem's superblock? Or the slice table (partitions in PC parlance) or the freebsd partitions (disk labels)? Because the boot sector

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread PJ
Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? Do you mean the filesystem's superblock? Or the slice table (partitions in PC parlance) or the freebsd partitions (disk

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread PJ
Tim Judd wrote: On 7/30/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? The /usr files should be ok but how to access? I get errors that the file system is full and I have no idea of how to deal with the boot

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Michael Powell
PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? Usually there are more than 1 file system present. The MBR will have no bearing on any other than the one you need to boot from, and this is usually the / - aka root. Having a screwed up MBR

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread PJ
Michael Powell wrote: PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? Usually there are more than 1 file system present. The MBR will have no bearing on any other than the one you need to boot from, and this is usually

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Thursday, July 30, 2009 14:45:46 -0500 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Mike, I am not particularly interested in becoming a guru on FreeBSD. I just want to be able to use it productively... by that I do not mean make money, but get something achieved in the way of programming stuff for

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread PJ
Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, July 30, 2009 14:45:46 -0500 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Mike, I am not particularly interested in becoming a guru on FreeBSD. I just want to be able to use it productively... by that I do not mean make money, but get something achieved in the way of

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Tim Judd
On 7/30/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Tim Judd wrote: On 7/30/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? The /usr files should be ok but how to access? I get errors that the file system is full and I

Re: how to boot or access problem file system

2009-07-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:20:55PM -0400, PJ wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:40:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: What can be done to access a file system that seems to have the boot sector screwed up? I forgot to mention that your boot sector is fine. If it were screwed up

Striping a live file system RAID 10 help

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Fairbanks
fs on one of the mirrors (*mirror0*), but then I need to stripe it with the other mirrors (*mirror1*), and trying to create a stripe (*stripe*) from that a set of mirrors in which one of the mirrors contains the live file system does not work, obviously. I was thinking, very generally, of creating

Re: UFS2 tuning for heterogeneous 4TB file system

2009-07-26 Thread b. f.
The file system in question will not have a common file size (which is what, as I understand, bytes per inode should be tuned for). There will be many small files ( 10 KB) and many large ones ( 500 MB). A similar, in terms of content, 2TB ntfs file system on another server has an average file size

Re: UFS2 tuning for heterogeneous 4TB file system

2009-07-26 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:56 AM, b. f.bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: The file system in question will not have a common file size (which is what, as I understand, bytes per inode should be tuned for). There will be many small files ( 10 KB) and many large ones ( 500 MB). A similar, in terms

UFS2 tuning for heterogeneous 4TB file system

2009-07-25 Thread Maxim Khitrov
for me in figuring out what to use in my situation. The file system in question will not have a common file size (which is what, as I understand, bytes per inode should be tuned for). There will be many small files ( 10 KB) and many large ones ( 500 MB). A similar, in terms of content, 2TB ntfs file

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-25 Thread cpghost
, it opens a whole can of worms. If the versioned file system isn't also POSIX compatible (where everything happens in HEAD unless specified otherwise), it's practically useless. The question is: Do you want to take versioning support into the file system intendedly? FreeBSD keeps most things

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-25 Thread cpghost
concurrently save (commit?) the same file, and there's a merging conflict? I'd say that two processes should _never_ open the same file for writing at the same time. Since the contents of the file are opaque to the file system but not to the programs, it is impossible for the filesystem to fix merge

Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread cpghost
Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? Maybe something like what's discussed here? http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/PDL-FTP/Secure/FAST03_abs.html I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, or even if it uses subversion as its backend

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, or even if it uses subversion as its backend, as long as it provides some kind

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:37:55PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, or even if it uses

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:59:18PM +0200, cpghost wrote: open(2) could open a file at an earlier revision: FILE *filep; s/FILE */int /; -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:59:18PM +0200, cpghost wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:37:55PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? I don't care

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Polytropon
, it's has, because VMS and its file system does still exist. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Morten Grunnet Buhl
* cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws [2009-06-24 17:04 +0200]: Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? - I don't know how fare along hammerfs is in being ported to FreeBSD. But from what I have heard, feature-wise, it might be something that meets your

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread cpghost
in a backwards compatible way, but that's not as easy or straight forward as it seems. In fact, it opens a whole can of worms. If the versioned file system isn't also POSIX compatible (where everything happens in HEAD unless specified otherwise), it's practically useless. Git is very good

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread cpghost
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:26:50PM +0200, Morten Grunnet Buhl wrote: * cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws [2009-06-24 17:04 +0200]: Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? - I don't know how fare along hammerfs is in being ported to FreeBSD. But from

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:57:34 +0200, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Yep, you're right. I thought about a way to extend the API in a backwards compatible way, but that's not as easy or straight forward as it seems. In fact, it opens a whole can of worms. If the versioned file system isn't

Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD?

2009-06-24 Thread Roland Smith
to the file system but not to the programs, it is impossible for the filesystem to fix merge conflicts. If you have multiple programs working together only one should write to the file in question. The others should communicate with the writing program via IPC. Of course, there would be additional

Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Mike Barnard
Hi, I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any documentation on how to grow a zfs file system. Any one done this? PS: I want to grow

Re: Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Valentin Bud
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mike Barnard mike.barna...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any

Re: Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in zfs doesn't have static allocation of space for subfilesystems at all! you just have set a quota RTFM - to be exact man zfs

regardinf Virtual File system VOP_RENAME_APV function.

2009-05-27 Thread Balaji Cherukuri
___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi, correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I had to use my windows laptop to do the job. thanks!! TFC On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:22

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/13 Tsu-Fan Cheng tfch...@gmail.com: Hi,    correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I had to use my windows laptop to do the job.

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de: Yuri wrote: I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it. Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote: I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Jan Henrik Sylvester
Chris Rees wrote: 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de: Yuri wrote: I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it. Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote: I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de: Chris Rees wrote: 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de: Yuri wrote: I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it. Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:

How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Yuri
I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things on it under Windows. I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an extremely long time, 24hrs. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things on it under Windows. i would rather make FAT32 partition newfs_msdos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Yuri
Wojciech Puchar wrote: i would rather make FAT32 partition Unfortunately FAT32 has a file size limit 2^32-1 bytes (~4GB) And I talk about HD 1TB and files might me larger. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:33:13 -0700, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: Unfortunately FAT32 has a file size limit 2^32-1 bytes (~4GB) And I talk about HD 1TB and files might me larger. The easiest way would be to format it inside a Windows PC that is NTFS capable. But I think your problem is that you

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Jan Henrik Sylvester
Yuri wrote: I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it. (I did use mkntfs successfully with the 1.13.1 version, but never tried with 2.0.0. ntfsresize from 2.0.0 failed for me when 1.13.1 did work.) Jan Henrik

Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, The easiest way would be to format it inside a Windows PC that is NTFS capable. But I think your problem is that you don't have such a PC at hand... Maybe a (very overcomplicated) solution is to (install and then) run some kind of Windows in a VM and format the disk from there... I

regardinf Virtual File system VOP_RENAME_APV function.

2009-04-02 Thread Cherukuri, Balaji
Hi FreeBSD Team, I am implementing a stackable file system similar to NULLFS and I have question on VOP_RENAME_APV function. In VOP_RENAME_APV function: VOP_RENAME_APV(struct vop_vector *vop, struct vop_rename_args *a) { int rc; if (vop-vop_rename != NULL

kernal dump on zfs file system panic?!? panic: ffs_blkfree freeing free block

2009-04-02 Thread John H. Nyhuis
About every 5-10 minutes, my freshly installed freeBSD 7.1 stable box hangs and begains a kernal dump. I get the following error message: dev = twed0s1d, block = 1, fs = /archive panic: ffs_blkfree freeing free block cpuid = 1 Uptime = 11m23s Physical memory: 1011 MB Dumping 67 MB: 52 36 20 4

Re: kernal dump on zfs file system panic?!? panic: ffs_blkfree freeing free block

2009-04-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
dev = twed0s1d, block = 1, fs = /archive panic: ffs_blkfree freeing free block looks like ffs related panic, not ZFS. something is completely wrong here. cpuid = 1 Uptime = 11m23s Physical memory: 1011 MB Dumping 67 MB: 52 36 20 4 Dump complete /archive has no files in it as it is an empty

Re: exFAT File System Format

2009-01-29 Thread Ivan Voras
Mario Lobo wrote: Hi guys; News: http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!5216.entry?w a=wsignin1.0sa=911422520 Any chance of this being supported on FBSD so we can dump ntfs for good? Feel free to fund a developer to implement it :) (i.e. no)

Re: Re: exFAT File System Format

2009-01-29 Thread Mario Lobo
De: Ivan Voras Enviada em: 29/01/2009 07:51:39 Para: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Assunto: Re: exFAT File System Format Mario Lobo wrote: Hi guys; News: http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!5216.entry?w a=wsignin1.0sa=911422520 Any

exFAT File System Format

2009-01-28 Thread Mario Lobo
Hi guys; News: http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!5216.entry?w a=wsignin1.0sa=911422520 Any chance of this being supported on FBSD so we can dump ntfs for good? Thanks, Mario ___

Re: exFAT File System Format

2009-01-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
still improving this crap? can't they just add UFS? On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Mario Lobo wrote: Hi guys; News: http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!5216.entry?w a=wsignin1.0sa=911422520 Any chance of this being supported on FBSD so we can dump ntfs for good?

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
building a brand new 6.3/7.0 server with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues when there are power hits? May be UFS + gjournal. I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine. is it really smart enough to not write

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Ivan Voras
Wojciech Puchar wrote: what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues when there are power hits? May be UFS + gjournal. I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine. is it really smart

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine. is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i wrong? It writes everything twice :) (but every journaling system has to write something twice) there is a big difference between something (metadata, short data

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:21:19 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine. is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i wrong? It writes everything twice :) (but every journaling system has to

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I don't know how Gjournal works, but it works below the filesystem (so ^^ next lines shows you actually know. thanks for answer, for me it's definitely not worth using, i would prefer waiting for fsck every few months or less than to have much slower writes i think

Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Don O'Neil
- because of known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues when there are power hits? ___ freebsd

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Bit OS - because of known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? i use UFS everywhere. it's ACTUALLY high performance, just lacking ZFS fancy features

Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Dan
Don O'Neil([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 08:57:58 -0800: With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization, speed, stability, etc... From everything I've read people use it in production

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The 3ware 9690SA outperforms gmirror and can be had in 4 port with the did you made tests comparing it with gmirror with the same config? battery for $600 or so. 8 port with a battery is closer to $1000 Hardware RAID gets you boot support from stripes, already said what should be done.

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
What you're asking for is too much -- and this conversation is starting to delve into freebsd-hardware, not freebsd-questions. the simple answer is that software RAID on todays computers vastly outperforms ANY hardware raid solution, maybe except the ones for 1$ or more.

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Ok, I have to pickup gVinum where I left it 4 years ago. Hopefully, the software is stable now. AFAIK it's not at least when i tried it in 6.* ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Wojciech Puchar wrote: | | What you're asking for is too much -- and this conversation is | starting to delve into freebsd-hardware, not freebsd-questions. | | the simple answer is that software RAID on todays computers vastly | outperforms

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:03:02AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: I've occasionally wondered why there isn't a simple device commonly available which consists of a few hundred MB of battery backed (or otherwise persistent in the face of power loss) RAM that can plug into a PCI slot and fulfil

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
| | the simple answer is that software RAID on todays computers vastly | outperforms ANY hardware raid solution, maybe except the ones for 1$ | or more. You're basically correct, but I think you're overestimating the price of a good RAID controller. no. please give me example of any RAID

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: | On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:03:02AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: | I've occasionally wondered why there isn't a simple device commonly available | which consists of a few hundred MB of battery backed (or otherwise

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-10-01 Thread Josh Paetzel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wojciech Puchar wrote: | | the simple answer is that software RAID on todays computers vastly | outperforms ANY hardware raid solution, maybe except the ones for 1$ | or more. You're basically correct, but I think you're overestimating the

Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Danny Do
MAXDUMPPGS To store files greater than 10MB, I come up with the following proposal for my File System: - UFS2 - Soft Update Enable - block-size 1,048,576 I am not completely sure what advantage I got from this configuration but I am pretty sure that FSCK is much quicker with 1M file system

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Josh Paetzel
MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS To store files greater than 10MB, I come up with the following proposal for my File System: - UFS2 - Soft Update Enable - block-size 1,048,576 I am not completely sure what advantage I got

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Diego F. Arias R.
) /* default max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXPHYS #define MAXPHYS (1024 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ #endif #ifndef MAXDUMPPGS To store files greater than 10MB, I come up with the following proposal for my File System: - UFS2 - Soft Update Enable - block

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Danny Do
Why do you think slower drives using an interface that has known problems handling concurrent connections will be faster than faster drives using an interface designed for concurrency? My current 6x300GB SCSI system using the FreeBSD default max raw I/O transfer size (64KB). Assume that all reads

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
SATA using 1MB IO transfer size, I don't know! I think the SATA system will SATA drives aren't much slower than SCSI. simply make this 1MB IO transfer size. as you still want hardware RAID5 it looks you simply read maybe every second word from my mails we exchanged privately.

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Danny Do
: Wojciech Puchar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 9:16 PM To: Danny Do Cc: 'Josh Paetzel'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5 SATA using 1MB IO transfer size, I don't know! I think the SATA system will SATA drives aren't much

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The reason I want to use hardware RAID is because I got so much problem with software RAID5 4 years ago on FreeBSD 5.4. I still remember those nightmares. Furthermore, hardware RAID5 doesn't require much knowledge and management. But you could be right, the CPU speed is triple now, software

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Danny Do
: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5 The reason I want to use hardware RAID is because I got so much problem with software RAID5 4 years ago on FreeBSD 5.4. I still remember those nightmares. Furthermore, hardware RAID5 doesn't require much knowledge and management. But you could

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 04:49:27AM +0700, Danny Do wrote: I got Perc 4E-DI Embedded Raid Adapter (256MB) from DELL for my current SCSI system. They said it's the enterprise class. I don't know much about the performance between software RAID and hardware RAID. I'm not familiar with PERC (LSI)

Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, September 30, 2008, at 02:44PM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only hardware RAID controller I've seen praise for, under FreeBSD, are Areca controllers. 3ware has provided very good FreeBSD support as well. ___

RE: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5

2008-09-30 Thread Danny Do
Chadwick Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 5:45 AM To: Danny Do Cc: 'Wojciech Puchar'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimal File System config for 2.5TB RAID5 On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 04:49:27AM +0700, Danny Do wrote: I got Perc 4E-DI Embedded Raid Adapter (256MB) from DELL for my current

Re: File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-11 Thread Gunther Mayer
Nejc S wrote: Hello, Afaic this only happens on a power loss or otherwise unclean shutdown but I used the reboot command from the shell (in a background (sleep Don't use reboot, use shutdown -r now. I also had the same problem once (had to get physical access to the box to fix it)

Re: File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-11 Thread Michel Talon
Gunther Mayer wrote: Don't use reboot, use shutdown -r now. I also had the same problem once (had to get physical access to the box to fix it) and it was because of the reboot. Thanks. I guess I'll use shutdown -r now then in future. If it still happens then I'll post again...

Re: File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-11 Thread Mike Bristow
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 04:12:09PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: Gunther Mayer wrote: Don't use reboot, use shutdown -r now. I also had the same problem once (had to get physical access to the box to fix it) and it was because of the reboot. Thanks. I guess I'll use

Re: File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-11 Thread Michel Talon
Mike Bristow said: What's this stuff? shutdown -r is implemented using reboot. Only when you give it -o. Otherwise it sends a signal to init, and init manages the shutdown.The code you quote is only run if -o is given But the code is init implementing reboot is the same as in the

Re: File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-08 Thread koberne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello, Afaic this only happens on a power loss or otherwise unclean shutdown but I used the reboot command from the shell (in a background (sleep Don't use reboot, use shutdown -r now. I also had the same problem once (had to get physical access to the box to fix it) and it was because of the

File system corruption upon reboot with gmirror

2008-09-08 Thread Gunther Mayer
physical access to the console I realised that it choked on the unclean /usr file system and was unable to proceed as the automatic fsck failed, prompting for an emergency shell. An fsck -y followed by a reboot sorted out the issue but it caused a good 1.5h of total downtime which should have been

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