>> Again, the reality is that none of this (the existence of some
>> products that
>> exist as binary modules) harm the community. They offer choices for users,
>> and the more choices the better. What a horrible place the world would be
>> without TiVo (who never would have done the work if they c
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> The GPL is a myth. It w
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> The FSF doesnt have standi
In a message dated 10/29/04 3:54:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Its equally "preposterous" for the GPLers to claim that anything that
> works
> with any O/S is owned by the owner of the OS as a "derivative work".
> But
> they do, and they will, because it suits them.
>
On Oct 29, 2004, at 1:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/29/04 12:38:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The GPL and Linux don't care if you link into their system libraries,
they expect that which is why the system libraries are LGPLd
...
If I write a pi
In a message dated 10/29/04 12:38:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>
> > The GPL and Linux don't care if you link into their system libraries,
> > they expect that which is why the system libraries are LGPLd
...
> If I write a piece of code that uses a defined interface,
In a message dated 10/29/04 2:12:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Linus is just a big dope anyway, so who cares what he thinks? He's like
> Kerry. He thinks whatever is convenient for him to think at the time.
>And RMS is a lot like Bush who says whatever is convenient for
In a message dated 10/28/04 9:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> But then, I'm not sure (and I mean it) if there can be any piece of
> software which, if designed for e.g. Linux, can be written w/o using any
> system headers, libraries or whatsoever.
--
In a message dated 10/29/04 2:10:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> the GPL. I seem to recall the discussion was about nVidia's closed
> source, binary only drivers but, according to Linus, affects all similar
> products. I'm unsure if and how this issue is being dealt with
In a message dated 10/29/04 5:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Then you either know nothing about programming or nothing about their
> products. Do you think they do gigabit bandwidth management, with
> features not in the kernel, from user space?
>That's not what I me
I thought I sent that mail to chat@, I wonder how the reply ended up at
questions@ again. Unfortunately my provider won't let me set a Reply-To:
header.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/28/04 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't think that Allot
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas
> Sparrevohn
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
> Importance: High
>
>
> On Thursday 28 Oct
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> Linus is just a big dop
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:14 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > You might consi
On Thursday 28 October 2004 22:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please move the discussion to FreeBSD-chat - now
> In a message dated 10/28/04 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > I don't think that Allot modifies the Linux kernel. I wouldn't expect
> >them
In a message dated 10/28/04 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't think that Allot modifies the Linux kernel. I wouldn't expect
>them to do so and I don't see an obvious reason why they should (*).
>Obviously some of their custom stuff needs to run inside kernel,
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 12:15:17AM +0100, nbco wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Are people who have written custom GUI front ends for Linux stealing?
> > They're not stealing, they are getting paid for the value that
> > they've added. Are people that sell
On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/27/04 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >If you buy a product what would you want ? A pretty box or pretty
> >software ? Finishing the product is just marketing and trying to
> > ma
In a message dated 10/27/04 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>If you buy a product what would you want ? A pretty box or pretty
>software ? Finishing the product is just marketing and trying to make
>a very pretty box to put the software in. When something is open
>sour
In a message dated 10/27/04 4:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is yet another example of the GPL license flaw. While any of the
copyright holders of the Linux kernel could sue Allot, if they don't,
it pretty much builds evidence that is going to help those that
would
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
[ ... ]
You might consider that opensource.org is NOT a BSD site, it was
setup by Linux people not BSD people.
Sort of. The Open Source definition started from Debian guidelines about
"free software". However, the OSI board has people from various organizations
besides L
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gert Cuykens
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> If you buy a product what wo
> -Original Message-
> From: Danny MacMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:24 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Graham Bentley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> I will preface my reply with the fol
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
> In a message dat
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:50:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 10/26/04 2:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Foundation, who is the copyright holder of the GPL license itself.
> > In fact, the FSF advises authors to transfer copyrigh
In a message dated 10/26/04 2:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Foundation, who is the copyright holder of the GPL license itself.
> In fact, the FSF advises authors to transfer copyright rights of their
> work to the FSF to avoid these problems.
>Ah, so your point is th
I will preface my reply with the following disclaimer: I am no
lawyer. However as it's clear that you're not either, it makes
little practical difference.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 01:51:02AM -0600, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> ...
>
> What is ignored is that the GPL contains a loophole - it DOES
In a message dated 10/26/04 2:32:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually a more interesting example is some of the Linksys routers
do indeed use an embedded Linux along with Zebra as the routing engine.
Ted
Or Allot communications, who openly advertise the use of linux, b
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham Bentley
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:41 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: GPL vs BSD Licence
>
>
>
> Hi List !
>
> Perusing the Internet the other d
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:32:04PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > Because Juniper, for example [...]
>
> You do realize, don't you, that the interesting part of a Juniper
> is the microcode in their DSP routing engine. FreeBSD is only used
> to control the routing engine in a Juniper router,
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis Koegel
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:21 AM
> To: Philipp Huber
>
> Because Juniper, for example, are perfectly free to decide against
> making their changes to the (in this case) FreeBSD code
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:52:01 -0500, Vijay Kaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Forgive my etiquete, please. Since I'm certainly not answering any
questions, I felt it appropriate to take this off of "questions." Is
that good form, or have I put the proverbial foot in mouth?
Ha!!! And then, truly put
Forgive my etiquete, please. Since I'm certainly not answering any
questions, I felt it appropriate to take this off of "questions." Is that
good form, or have I put the proverbial foot in mouth?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:47:14 -0400 (EDT), <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In a message dated 10/25/04 4
In a message dated 10/25/04 4:21:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > But equally important is the ability to join back forks, when/if some
> > group finds the right solution to a problem. And that's where the
> > GPL comes in: you can really think of the whole license as n
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:44:36AM +0200, Philipp Huber wrote:
> > But equally important is the ability to join back forks, when/if some
> > group finds the right solution to a problem. And that's where the
> > GPL comes in: you can really think of the whole license as nothing
> > more than a re
> But equally important is the ability to join back forks, when/if some
> group finds the right solution to a problem. And that's where the
> GPL comes in: you can really think of the whole license as nothing
> more than a requirement to be able to re-join a forked project from
> either side.
Hi List !
Perusing the Internet the other day I came across a short
interview with Linus Torvalds from a while back. He was
asked about the GPL vs BSD Licence.
As I dont fully understand the development process I was
wondering if anyone could comment on his reply below?
I (mis?)interpret
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