Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread David Brodbeck
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Da Rock wrote: > Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're > where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your > mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in it, > not the other way arou

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Martes G Wigglesworth < mailinglistmem...@mgwigglesworth.net> wrote: > > On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote: > >> Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU >> usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you mor

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote: Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you more about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some devices within the jail and allow only certain

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Da Rock
On 01/01/11 11:09, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock > wrote: Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS because it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Adam" == Adam Vande More writes: Adam> Please quit spouting this nonsense. He's asking for facts not Adam> uninformed opinions. In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests Adam> run in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are Adam> functionally equivalent. If you're actuall

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > > Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS because > it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go through the > host OS first to get something, so it slows t

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Da Rock
On 01/01/11 10:56, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: Just wanted to clarify: I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep forgetting to use the correct terminology. sorry about that. I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a hypervisor-aware dom0 O

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Da Rock
On 01/01/11 10:44, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote: Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I am currently researching how Xen works. I am finding the top-level information a bit lacking in low-level information. I came across the website

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
Just wanted to clarify: I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep forgetting to use the correct terminology. sorry about that. I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a hypervisor-aware dom0 Operating system. I may want to check on what I

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote: Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I am currently researching how Xen works. I am finding the top-level information a bit lacking in low-level information. I came across the website with all the objects for Xen, however, I have ye

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Da Rock
On 01/01/11 10:19, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock > wrote: On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: Thanks in advance, for any input. Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it w

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > >> Thanks in advance, for any input. >> >> Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're > where I was at a while ago, and a

Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Da Rock
On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: Greetings. I have been searching for solutions to the problem of jails not being truly encapsulated environments. I have looked at the Xen information for freebsd and it appears to be still a bit premature, as compared to NetBSD. Does anyone

How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host?

2010-12-31 Thread Martes G Wigglesworth
Greetings. I have been searching for solutions to the problem of jails not being truly encapsulated environments. I have looked at the Xen information for freebsd and it appears to be still a bit premature, as compared to NetBSD. Does anyone have any good resources or advice on how to begi