Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-19 Thread Ivan Voras
On 11/15/10 21:06, Chris Rees wrote: On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boostenpe...@boosten.org wrote: He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 message): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html Consistent, but still just spouting

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-16 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Actually, I don't see anything incorrect in the above archive post. I do. Cherry picking ZFS deficiencies without addressing the proper documented way to work around them or at even acknowledging it's possible to do so is

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-16 Thread App Deb
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a toy. This is a result of that design. Actually I find the basics of its design pretty simple (cow/txg/zil) and for that reason I think it is

RE: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-16 Thread Gary Gatten
... -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of App Deb Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:32 PM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Modulok Subject: Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time? On Mon, Nov 15, 2010

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-16 Thread Ivan Voras
On 11/16/10 20:23, Adam Vande More wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ivan Vorasivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Actually, I don't see anything incorrect in the above archive post. I do. Cherry picking ZFS deficiencies without addressing the proper documented way to work around them or at

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a toy. This is a result of that design. use UFS if you want something you can trust ___

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread krad
On 15 November 2010 08:28, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: 1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? no. ZFS is not usable and will never be usable for anything more than a toy. This is a result of that design. use UFS if you want something

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
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Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Chris Rees
On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Chris Rees
On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boosten pe...@boosten.org wrote: He's consistent in any case (a quick google search reveals this 2008 message): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg192926.html Consistent, but still just spouting uninformed FUD. Chris

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Devin Teske
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Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Chris Rees
On 15 November 2010 20:10, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 20:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe,

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread krad
On 15 November 2010 19:59, Peter Boosten pe...@boosten.org wrote: On 15 nov 2010, at 20:37, Chris Rees wrote: On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Peter Boosten
On 15 nov 2010, at 20:37, Chris Rees wrote: On 15 November 2010 19:33, Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread krad
On 15 November 2010 20:10, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 20:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: Sounds like FUD. Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed see positive improvement and continued development. However, is anyone that

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread krad
On 15 November 2010 20:42, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: Sounds like FUD. Like the OP, I too am interested in the current state of ZFS. We've been following the threads as far as build 28, and I do indeed

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 15/11/2010 20:33, krad wrote: My gut feeling is no. I wouldn't put it on mission critical stuff yet. Its not that I have had any major bad experiences (x fingers) but im not aware of any major deployments of it in the wild. As a result I wouldnt feel safe being the 1st 8) What I would

Re: Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-15 Thread David Brodbeck
One problem I ran into is that the file sharing technologies in FreeBSD have not kept up; I consider NFSv4 a requirement for sanely sharing ZFS over a network, and FreeBSD's NFSv4 server is still under heavy development and not yet production-ready. That may not matter for a backup server,

Is ZFS ready for prime time?

2010-11-14 Thread Modulok
List, I'm ready to build a backup server and have two questions... 1) Is ZFS as of 8.1 Release considered to be ready for mission critical? 2) If I put ZFS on top of geli, will this, in any way, (other than performance) impair ZFS's features? For example would stuff like the ability to self heal