Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-13 Thread Mike Clarke
On Sunday 10 June 2012 23:14:57 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Well, nevermind about that.  I get the general idea, i.e. that dumping at level N causes dumping of everything that has changed since the last dump at level N-1. A point to be aware of is that if you restore from a full backup

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-11 Thread Mike Clarke
On Monday 11 June 2012 00:03:59 Daniel Feenberg wrote: It does occur to me that /etc is not a felicitous place to keep this information, but given the desirability of dumping filesystems in read only state, placing the dump dates in the filesystem itself isn't feasible. Dumping with the -L

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Peter Vereshagin
Hello. 2012/06/09 19:30:53 -0700 Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com = To Arthur Chance : RFG Thank you Arthur, and yes, trying to back up a partition that's currently RFG mounted r/w using dd will almost certainly not produce the desired results. You can make snapshot to back up

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Mike Clarke
On Sunday 10 June 2012 03:30:53 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: I don't care to take own my system to make backups... and don't believe that I should have to do so, and thus, this is one of the reasons why I would prefer to use something like cpio. Also, I don't like backups taking longer than

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Jun 9 21:33:57 2012 To: Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:30:53 -0700 From: Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1206092039260.71...@wonkity.com, you wrote: On Sat, 9 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Also, I don't like backups taking longer than absolutely necessary, and this is why I am specifically _not_ attracted to either the dd solution or to dump/restore, because

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: (I got the Wrong Impression, I think, because I have read assertions like ...dump backs up at the filesystem block level What does that mean exactly? Use of the term block level in this context makes me think of something operating along the

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1206100543280.75...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: 1) In your example under the heading Copying Filesystems, the second shell command line shown is: dump -C16 -b64 -0uanL -h0 -f - /usr | (cd

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
Warren? Just a couple more quick questions. You recommend: dump -C16 -b64 -0uanL -h0 -f - /usr | (cd /mnt restore -ruf -) I'm real curious about you suggestions for the -C and -b values. I have what amounts to a personal workstation. Yea, OK, it is running mail, web, and FTP servers

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1206100543280.75...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: 1) In your example under the heading Copying Filesystems, the second shell command line shown

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: What I don't understand (and what I wish someone would enlighten me about) is just this: It would seem that in order to implement these dump levels, dump must be keeping a record somewhere, for each file in the filesystem, of the level at

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Robert Bonomi
Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: ... I mean if I do the pipeline from dump to restore as you have shown in your examples in your Copying Filesystems section, then what must I do in

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Robert Huff
Ronald F. Guilmette writes: Warren? Just a couple more quick questions. You recommend: dump -C16 -b64 -0uanL -h0 -f - /usr | (cd /mnt restore -ruf -) I'm real curious about you suggestions for the -C and -b values. I have what amounts to a personal workstation. Yea, OK,

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-10 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Ronald F. Guilmette writes: Warren? Just a couple more quick questions. You recommend: dump -C16 -b64 -0uanL -h0 -f - /usr | (cd /mnt restore -ruf -) I'm real curious about you suggestions for the -C and -b values. I have what amounts to a

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-09 Thread Arthur Chance
On 06/09/12 00:58, Warren Block wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Ronald F. Guilmette writes: I got a lot of disks here, so that part is not a problem. I just need to make sure that I'm gonna do this the Right Way[tm]. (I've already been making my own ham-fisted disk-to-disk

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-09 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message 4fd38b9a.4010...@qeng-ho.org, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: There's a BFI (brute force and ignorance) way of doing it in the base system - dd. Provided your system disk is quiescent (ideally when running from a live CD or all partitions mounted read-only, otherwise pray

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-09 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Also, I don't like backups taking longer than absolutely necessary, and this is why I am specifically _not_ attracted to either the dd solution or to dump/restore, because as I understand it, with either of these methods you end up copying perhaps

Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-08 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I've been lucky. Over about the past 20 years I've never had a hard disk go bad on me. (Knock on wood.) Of course I _do_ only buy the better quality ones (with the 5 year warranties), and I'm sure that has helped. Still, one never knows, and it is best to be prepared. Primarily however, I am

Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-08 Thread Robert Huff
Ronald F. Guilmette writes: I got a lot of disks here, so that part is not a problem. I just need to make sure that I'm gonna do this the Right Way[tm]. (I've already been making my own ham-fisted disk-to-disk backups in the past, but I'm sure that the way I have been doing that is

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-08 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Ronald F. Guilmette writes: I got a lot of disks here, so that part is not a problem. I just need to make sure that I'm gonna do this the Right Way[tm]. (I've already been making my own ham-fisted disk-to-disk backups in the past, but I'm sure that

Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

2012-06-08 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Ronald F. Guilmette writes: I got a lot of disks here, so that part is not a problem. I just need to make sure that I'm gonna do this the Right Way[tm]. (I've already been