On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:17:16 -0400, Tom Worster wrote:
> I've no experience with VirtualBSD. But I can say that VBox comes with
> host configs for FreeBSD 32 and 64 clients. Yesterday I fed the FreeBSD
> 8.2 RELEASE Disk 1 ISO into VBox and it installed very nicely. Network
> even came up with DHC
On 3/31/11 1:10 PM, "Polytropon" wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance
>wrote:
>>On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote:
>>> On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote:
There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a
FreeBSD system image that can be used with Virtual
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:05:36 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:26 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
> > > four.harris...@googlemail.com
> > > articulated:
> > >
> > > > Once y
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:33:09 +0100, Arthur Chance wrote:
> On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote:
> > On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote:
> >> There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a
> >> FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox.
> >
> > Nitpick: the web site says
> >
On 03/31/11 17:06, Arthur Chance wrote:
On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote:
There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a
FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox.
Nitpick: the web site says
> VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware
Following myself up, Polytrop
On 03/30/11 23:00, Polytropon wrote:
There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a
FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox.
Nitpick: the web site says
> VirtualBSD is a virtual appliance for VMware
Thanks for the pointer though, could be useful in encouraging others to
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:29 -0700 (PDT), "four.harris...@googlemail.com"
wrote:
> I left Linux a while ago, but at that time compiling and
> installing a new kernel on Red Hat or Slackware (to stick
> within my experience) was significantly harder to do than
> "make buildkernel; make installkern
and therefore hide the guts of stuff
like this away.
--
Peter Harrison
www.4harrisons.blogspot.com
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Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
From: "Jerry"
Date: 30/03/2011 18:12
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
four.harris...@googlemail.com
articulated:
>
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:57:45AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> > >
> > > It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely.
> >
> > Mathematically, that seems to
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> > Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> > >
> > > We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating
> > > system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> >
> > We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating
> > system -- so I think if it said "1/0" it would be more accurate to
> > say the "car" would crash.
>
> It's
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
> four.harris...@googlemail.com
> articulated:
>
> > Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy
> > it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which
> > attempt to
Allow me to add something here:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:55 -0400, Tom Worster wrote:
> FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of
> uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by
> saving VM state), get on with some other work and come back to i
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Chip Camden
wrote:
> Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
>>
>> T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,
>> that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the
>> car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to
Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,
that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the
car is not started. The fuel indicator is
I only know FreeBSD so I can't recommend any other BSD as being "easier".
And I don't use a windowing system on it. But I've an answer to a question
you didn't ask:
FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of
uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my proje
>
> If there is a choice between making things easy to learn and easy to use,
> the design principle is to make it easy to use - even if that comes at the
> cost of a steeper learning curve.
>
And you can always create easy-to-learn GUI-based tool that works on the top
of low-level tools.
BTW Micro
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
four.harris...@googlemail.com
articulated:
> Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy
> it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which
> attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to
> min
--On March 30, 2011 9:49:02 AM -0600 Chad Perrin
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself
with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing,
email, word processing, etc.).
A word of
When I find things in FreeBSD difficult to accomplish (eg. first time upgrading
world & kernel from source) I reflect on something I read I think in the
introduction to 'Learning Perl' which applies equally to FreeBSD.
If there is a choice between making things easy to learn and easy to use, the
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself
> with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing,
> email, word processing, etc.).
A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses al
Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden
> > wrote:
> > > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> > > >
> > > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not t
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden
> wrote:
> > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> > >
> > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,
> > >that's the tachometer. It is supposed to
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
> Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> >
> > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,
> >that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the
> >car is not started. The fuel indicator is us
> It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do
> with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE
> you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means,
> i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding,
> THINKING, you're fine in this regards - because
Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
>
> T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel,
>that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the
>car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left
>and smaller that the tachometer, and it shou
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own
> level of expertise and desires.
I can just speak from my individual point of view. I do NOT
claim that my experiences and knowledge are universal. Therefore,
my view is li
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:07 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister
> wrote:
> > Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered
> > rather than simpler.
>
> The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on
> present knowledge a
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700, Charlie Kester
wrote:
> To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own
> terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things.
> Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design
> decisions, unforeseen
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:43:47 -0500, Paul Schmehl
wrote:
> It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such
> as "Experienced User, Minimal Prompts", "Familiar User, Additional Prompts
> and "First Time User, Walk me through it step by step."
Even GeoWorks Ensemble had
On Tue 29 Mar 2011 at 13:59:44 PDT Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.).
But the
--On March 29, 2011 2:23:48 PM -0700 Chip Camden
wrote:
Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote:
>> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What
>> desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or
>> Jessica
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered
> rather than simpler.
The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on
present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding,
deriving, understanding).
Simple t
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:27 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> I want to learn BSD.
I may emphasize the word LEARN. You'll see why later on. :-)
> I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro
> is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email,
> word processing, etc.).
Thi
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
> >
> > On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote:
> >
> > >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop
> > >> BSD distro is so easy to use that even Par
> ...I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt
> it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.).
There is no distro in BSDworld. BSD family is complete operating system.
Linux distros are a combination of a kernel and all the tools necessary
f
Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
>
> On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote:
>
> >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD
> >> distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the
> >> Sea" Simpson can handle it?
> >
> But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take
> too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to
> enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and
> DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow
On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote:
>> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD
>> distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the
>> Sea" Simpson can handle it?
>
> To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris
> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD
> distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the
> Sea" Simpson can handle it?
To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could
handle any more than I'd want a vehicle
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a
> distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word
> processing, etc.).
>
> But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for m
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:
> I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a
> distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word
> processing, etc.).
>
> But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me
I've always "heard" PC-BSD is the way to go on the desktop, so if that's not
going too well then I'm not sure.
I don't think there is a BSD that Paris and Jessica would be able to install.
Then again, that's not really what made them noteworthy.
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