Hi,
Andrew L. Gould wrote:
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 10:35 pm, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
/--big snip--/
That was a good idea.
That's a great analogy; but I disagree with the way you've applied it.
Yes, the hunters and farmers shared the food. That's not to say that
the farmers
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From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I do not think
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Tone is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, posts all contain a tone
to them. But very little posted on this mailing list has been
anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the
FreeBSD groups there.
I did not say this
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From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
_I_ don't. Who does?
Some do a logo contest to make
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
_I_ don't. Who does?
Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some
activity going in.
Most of the rank and file argued long against that contest.
Not only them.
Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers
Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.
Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of real
help?
If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access the
manual, but this is
On 2005-06-23 12:51, cali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access
the manual, but this is improbable.
The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told RTFM, so that
eventually they get the idea that they must work it out for themselves
On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can
assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of
the book,
looked at them for some days and said 'why
On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers license?
I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a
deserted place.
I didn't say learned driving I said get a license You have
I'm not watching the entire thread, so what I write below may seem a bit
out of context. On the other hand, this particular post shows some of
the few points I don't like about a stream of RTFM responses.
You seem to overvalue ridicule, IMHO.
I was trying to illustrate the ridicule case
I think, that really only questions, whose answers cannot
readily be found elsewhere, should be asked on this list.
I disagree. For those working in a 24x7 uptime situation and a critical
problem arises, we all now that time is of the essence. I have no
problem someone asking a reasonably
On Thursday 23 June 2005 11:24 am, Steve Bertrand wrote:
I think, that really only questions, whose answers cannot
readily be found elsewhere, should be asked on this list.
For the most part, yes, only non-readily available answers should be
posted to the list, but there are circumstances
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:57 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
I do not think that it the design of Windows which makes
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:37 PM
To: Vulpes Velox
Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
Hi,
Vulpes Velox wrote:
Ignorant useless users should
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:05:32AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
This gives rise to a rather serious Catch-22 with FreeBSD:
You need to really understand intimately how FreeBSD works
and how computer software that runs on it works in order to
get it to work well enough for you to learn
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:36:48 +0800
Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Vulpes Velox wrote:
Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial ventures,
not community ones. They will just drag the community down with
their weight if they don't help out.
This would be
After all, someone is trying to do something good for freebsd, by
making freebsd known by more and more people.
Most people are lazy, we tend to prefer immediate results rather than
a long term process and commitment. I think this is understandable.
Of course, there will be a lot of newbies
Fafa, I've seen these kinds of efforts before and they are
all generally doomed to failure.
You see, the problem is that FreeBSD is not a general
computer operating system product. It is a very specific
product in fact.
Now, the USES that FreeBSD can be put to are VERY general.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:36:48 +0800
Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Vulpes Velox wrote:
Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial
ventures,
not community ones. They will just drag the community down with
their weight if they don't help out.
After all, someone is trying to do something good for
freebsd, by making freebsd known by more and more people.
It's not worth getting the word out if those new people who are hearing
about it just rant and bitch that the documentation is 'no good', when
something doesn't work the first time
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Then read one of the many FreeBSD books. The one by Annelise Anderson
is most certainly not written for serious IT professionals. I know
because I have read it.
As a non-serious non-IT non-professional, I keep going back to this book
time and time again. Even after
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I do not think that it the design of Windows which makes it target. It
is the kind of support people with no knowledge get which makes it.
People pay for Windows, not for FreeBSD. The support structures are
totally different because of this. If support is what
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 10:35 pm, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
/--big snip--/
Let me put it this way. A long time ago, we call it now stone age,
the people started to realise that a group of people shows better
results if they specialise. The people better in hunting went
hunting, the people
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 14:55 -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
Hello.
Thank you all for everything so far.
But I am not looking for comparisons.
I am looking for stuff that has been written so that people can understand.
Let's say this:
Multi-threaded SMP architecture capable of
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Krantz
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
Hello.
Thank you all for everything so far.
But I am not looking
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Let's say this:
Multi-threaded SMP architecture capable of executing the kernel
in parallel on multiple processors, and with kernel preemption,
allowing high priority kernel tasks to preempt other kernel
activity, reducing latency. This includes a
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:05:32 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Krantz
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Explaining
Hi,
Vulpes Velox wrote:
Ignorant useless users should be supported by commercial ventures,
not community ones. They will just drag the community down with their
weight if they don't help out.
This would be the real tough one.
There should also be a way to write some kind of descripton for
Hi,
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
I am curious why it's so difficult to get a simple and straight
forward list of FreeBSD's features, that normal people can understand?
There is no real answer to this question.
I am trying to write one of the largest articles ever to be published
on
This sounds good. How much time is left for you to write it?
A couple of weeks :)
So I have a lot of time to do research.
FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
Clearly its weakest point.
Or, as I describe it for myself, if I would know marketing,
I would not write
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
snip
I know some people who were to afraid to move to FreeBSD as they
believed installing from source is equal to being a programmer.
Yeah I know a lot of people like that :)
For those people, the pcbsd project www.pcbsd.org might be an option. I
didn't try it
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
*snip*
FreeBSD is a typical system driven by technical people.
Clearly its weakest point.
Once again, that depends on your audience. If you ask me, its one
of FreeBSD's strongest points.
Im one of those technical people, and the main reason I like
BSD is that its
Hi,
Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
This sounds good. How much time is left for you to write it?
A couple of weeks :)
So I have a lot of time to do research.
You could subscribe to more technical lists to see how help is done and
what kind of problems people face with a none-technical
Hello.
Thank you all for everything so far.
But I am not looking for comparisons.
I am looking for stuff that has been written so that people can understand.
Let's say this:
Multi-threaded SMP architecture capable of executing the kernel in parallel on
multiple processors, and with kernel
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