On 22-9-2010 21:35, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 22/09/2010 20:04:25, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
You're certainly not the only one liking CUPS. I long hesitated to use
it, but once I'd decided to do so, I wouldn't go back to lpr. No way.
It's very easy to set up and does a great job. CUPS is OK but mos
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Sep 22 12:25:37 2010
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:27:05 -0700
> From: David Brodbeck
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rob
On 2010/09/22 at 9:27, g...@gull.us (David Brodbeck) wrote:
If this were true, and there really were a big conspiracy on
Microsoft's part to make manufacturers only support Windows, then you
wouldn't see cheap printers that support both Windows and MacOS X. In
reality, such printers are pretty
On 22/09/2010 20:04:25, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> On 22-9-2010 20:40, David Brodbeck wrote:
>> OI may be the only person here who actually likes CUPS. Yes, it's
>> complicated from a software standpoint, but configuring it is much
>> less opaque.
>
> You're certainly not the only one liking CUPS.
On 22-9-2010 20:40, David Brodbeck wrote:
OI may be the only person here who actually likes CUPS. Yes, it's
complicated from a software standpoint, but configuring it is much
less opaque.
You're certainly not the only one liking CUPS. I long hesitated to use
it, but once I'd decided to do so
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Peter A. Giessel wrote:
> The question you are missing is *HOW* does MacOS X print to all these
> "cheap printers"?
>
> Lets take a couple of screen captures from Mac OS X.6 (Apple's latest
> released
> OS) with all current updates installed:
> http://giessel.org/
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:27:05 -0700
David Brodbeck articulated:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Robert Bonomi
> wrote:
> > A) *THEY* developed the interface specifications. They license
> > printer manufacurers to build to it. They _would_ obejct if
> > somebody used their technology to comp
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> A) *THEY* developed the interface specifications. They license printer
> manufacurers to build to it. They _would_ obejct if somebody used
> their technology to compete against them.
>
> B) As it is, to _use_ one of those printers, you *HAV
Warren Block wrote:
> If someone comes up with a working GDI printer emulation layer,
> that would make a great port.
They already did, and it's already in ports.
It's (part of) wine.
Unfortunately it uses CUPS.
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> > > Personally, for bulk printing, and even more so for
> > > intermittent printing (the kind where ink dries up and gets
> > > tossed away when you use the printer once every blue moon),
> > > most users would save a _LOT_ of money by looking at a laser
> > > printer instead.
+1
> > > Take a g
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon wrote:
In that case, I would ask myself: Why hasn't it been done already?
If your assumption was right, it would already work. As it currently
does not work, I would check your assumption. :-)
I don't know wh
> From cpgh...@cordula.ws Tue Sep 21 12:34:21 2010
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
> From: "C. P. Ghost"
> To: Polytropon
> Cc: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
> On Tue, S
> From cpgh...@cordula.ws Mon Sep 20 19:40:36 2010
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200
> Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
> From: "C. P. Ghost"
> To: Robert Bonomi
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at
I think conspiracy theories miss the point. The reason more printers
work on Windows than on FreeBSD is if you don't support Windows, you
can't sell printers to 92% of computer users. This is an extremely
powerful incentive to spend money on writing Windows drivers. The
financial incentive is no
I once used an inkjet printer and almost went broke keeping it fed with ink. I
found a refurbished Brother HL-2040 Laser printer at Tiger Direct for $89. It's
been running now for almost 3 years and I'm only on my second toner cartridge.
To be honest, we're all on a big paperless effort and I ra
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Jerry wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:47:27 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, "C. P. Ghost"
>> wrote:
>> > > At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of
>> > > facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY*
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:47:27 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, "C. P. Ghost"
> wrote:
> > > At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of
> > > facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not
> > > only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linu
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, "C. P. Ghost" wrote:
> > At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of
> > facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not
> > only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and
> > who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start viole
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200, "C. P. Ghost" wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi
>> wrote:
>> Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for
>> winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong,
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:16:21 -0700, Robert wrote:
> A couple of years ago I got very tired of buying ink cartridges. I
> search and found the Samsung scx-4725fn for a very good price. Laser,
> network, all-in-one. It is not color but that was not a requirement for
> me.
>
> Just hook it up to the
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:37:22 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's
> machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a
> printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler.
But much more expensive, and especially if
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:58 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> The cheapest multi-function laser recommended by you is the Phaser
> 6128MFP, an obviously loss-loser. The next version is $1500. I can buy
> a lot of ink for that. I agree that a laser printer is fine for a
> business environment; however, it wou
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200, "C. P. Ghost" wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi
> wrote:
> Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for
> winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems
> programmer, but this is wha
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:58 -0400
Jerry wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:16:16 +0200
> Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
> articulated:
>
> > On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote:
> > > The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a
> > > Window's machine is usually far easier than on
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:16:16 +0200
Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
articulated:
> On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote:
> > The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a
> > Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation.
> > Even sharing a printer on a network in a W
On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote:
> The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's
> machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a
> printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler.
Actually ... no. Unless you are talking about the "keep HP
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200
C. P. Ghost articulated:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi
> wrote:
> > "Adapting" MS-Windows print drivers is not 'practical' either. A
> > windows print driver is embedd in the O/S KERNEL, with _system_
> > calls_ (not mere 'library' routine
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> "Adapting" MS-Windows print drivers is not 'practical' either. A windows
> print driver is embedd in the O/S KERNEL, with _system_ calls_ (not
> mere 'library' routines) that implement the 'device-dependant' rendering
> of layout/formating
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Sep 20 07:11:41 2010
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:20:52 -0700
> From: per...@pluto.rain.com
> To: free...@insightbb.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
>
>
Steven Friedrich wrote:
> > "Common Unix Printing System" certainly sounds as if the intent
> > was to be the "ONE thing that is used for printing". Whether
> > they did a good job of it is another question entirely :(
>
> I think that you don't fully apreciate the task at hand. When
> Unix was
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
> I'm computer science teacher at university of Tizi-ouzou in Algeria. I'm
> using FreeBSD since 2007 when I "discover" it by chance when searching in
> the Web something about Linux.
> Since that date, I always invited and recommended to m
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:50:32 +0200
dan articulated:
> On 19.09.2010 13:34, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:27:13 +0200
> > dan articulated:
> >
> >> 2 - HP Photosmart C3180.
> >> Once I installed HPLIP and adjusted some permissions I used a hp sw
> >> tool to update the CUPS printers' da
On 19.09.2010 13:34, Jerry wrote:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:27:13 +0200
dan articulated:
2 - HP Photosmart C3180.
Once I installed HPLIP and adjusted some permissions I used a hp sw
tool to update the CUPS printers' database (all with the __default__
8.1 kernel). I then Succesfully printed a test
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:27:13 +0200
dan articulated:
> 2 - HP Photosmart C3180.
> Once I installed HPLIP and adjusted some permissions I used a hp sw
> tool to update the CUPS printers' database (all with the __default__
> 8.1 kernel). I then Succesfully printed a test page and successfully
> test
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:09:57 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:10:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > Polytropon wrote:
> > > > I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing,
> > > > and that does support ALL printers ...
> >
On Saturday 18 September 2010 6:09:57 pm per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:10:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > > Polytropon wrote:
> > > > I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing,
> > > > and that does support ALL printers ...
>
Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:10:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Polytropon wrote:
> > > I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing,
> > > and that does support ALL printers ...
> >
> > Isn't that exactly what CUPS is supposed to be?
>
> Obviously not.
Er,
On 17.09.2010 02:45, Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
I'm computer science teacher at university of Tizi-ouzou in Algeria. I'm
using FreeBSD since 2007 when I "discover" it by chance when searching in
the Web something about Linux.
Since that date, I always invited and recommended to my students to ins
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:50:30 -0400
> From: Jerry
> To: FreeBSD
> Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
>
> You keep insisting that it is complicated; yet, you fail to
> specifically state what it is that you are failing to comprehend. Your
>
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:50:30 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:15:25 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
> > Obviously not. Look at the dependencies, the bloat, and the
> > overall complicatedness of installing a printer. Also, the
> > documentation situation could be better. When dealing
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:15:25 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:10:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Polytropon wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing, and that
> > > does support ALL printers ...
> >
> > Isn't that exactly what C
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:10:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
>
> > I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing, and that
> > does support ALL printers ...
>
> Isn't that exactly what CUPS is supposed to be?
Obviously not. Look at the dependencies, the bloat,
Polytropon wrote:
> I would like to have ONE thing that is used for printing, and that
> does support ALL printers ...
Isn't that exactly what CUPS is supposed to be?
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On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 06:10:56PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 01:45:54AM +0100, Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
> >
> > I'm computer science teacher at university of Tizi-ouzou in Algeria. I'm
> > using FreeBSD since 2007 when I "discover" it by chance when searching in
> > the Web
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:10:56 +0100, Frank Shute wrote:
> I'm not going to tell you how to print with CUPS as it's too
> complicated and fragile for my liking.
If you have a printer that understands at least SOME standards,
maybe you want to look at apsfilter instead of CUPS; apsfilter
is a lightw
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Frank Shute wrote:
I'm not going to tell you how to print with CUPS as it's too
complicated and fragile for my liking.
Agreed.
Have you thought about using lpd(8)? If your printer can understand
Postscript (and I believe HP Laserjets can) then this can be a fairly
simple
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 01:45:54AM +0100, Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
>
> I'm computer science teacher at university of Tizi-ouzou in Algeria. I'm
> using FreeBSD since 2007 when I "discover" it by chance when searching in
> the Web something about Linux.
> Since that date, I always invited and recomm
On 9/17/2010 2:14 AM, Peter wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:45:54 +0100
Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
I've search, read, learn, follow instructions about nearly all the
web-documentation about installing a new printer to work under cups
without
any success. I've an HP Laser Jet 1018 printer and tools
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:45:54 +0100
> Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
>
>> I've search, read, learn, follow instructions about nearly all the
>> web-documentation about installing a new printer to work under cups
>> without
>> any success. I've an HP Laser Jet 1018 printer and tools given by
>> package
>
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:45:54 +0100
Chabane HEMDANI wrote:
> I've search, read, learn, follow instructions about nearly all the
> web-documentation about installing a new printer to work under cups without
> any success. I've an HP Laser Jet 1018 printer and tools given by package
> print/hplip d
Hello,
First things first, does cups see your printer ? Do you use "lpradmin" or
the web-interface for adding the printer ?
Second, did you try using http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/ for the driver ?
Third, can you post error logs ?
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I'm computer science teacher at university of Tizi-ouzou in Algeria. I'm
using FreeBSD since 2007 when I "discover" it by chance when searching in
the Web something about Linux.
Since that date, I always invited and recommended to my students to install
and use this "magical" and my favorite syst
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