Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-10 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:04:25 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: grin Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as being a

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-09 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:59:48 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Same here. I've been guilty as well of neglecting to properly adjust my console configuration. Sometimes just works in combination with lazyness beats all proper concepts of doing things. :-) Doesn't using LC_ALL obviate the need

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-09 Thread David Brodbeck
It's worth noting, too, that most of the non-Unicode encoding systems predate the Internet. When computers weren't really talking to each other, there was no real emphasis on interoperability, and every OS tended to come up with their own way of encoding foreign languages. Languages like French,

Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my research has turned up anything useful yet. I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of the extended 8-bit character set, i.e.,

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Robert Bonomi
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of the extended 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters with the MSB set. Quite simply Unix dates from the days where the 8th bit was used as a

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Michael Ross
Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net: Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my research has turned up anything useful yet. I've been trying to understand what the deal is with

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of the extended 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of the extended 8-bit character set, i.e., 8-bit characters

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100, Michael Ross wrote: Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net: Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my research has turned up anything

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:58:04 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most universal representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters (are they really seeing what I'm

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100 Michael Ross g...@ross.cx wrote: Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net: Pardon me if this may seem like a stupid question, but this is something that's been bugging me for a long time, and none of my research has turned

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of November 8, 2011 7:58:04 PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier is alleged to have said: So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most universal representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters (are they

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:10:24 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:51:31 +0100, Michael Ross wrote: Am 09.11.2011, 01:42 Uhr, schrieb Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net: [snip] I've been trying to understand what the deal is with regards to the displaying of

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:27:16 -0400 Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote: --As of November 8, 2011 7:58:04 PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier is alleged to have said: So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most universal representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:24:18 -0600 Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: Even more confusing, selecting the character and copying it to the clipboard, the UTF-16 representation (0xfc) is what actually gets used. Pasting this single-byte version into an X terminal (any of them: xterm,

Re: Unprintable 8-bit characters

2011-11-08 Thread Robert Bonomi
Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: grin Yes, and this is one area where the labels are more than a little misleading as well. My natural inclination is think of UTF-8 as being a single-byte representation for each character in the set, whereas UTF-16, as the name implies, would be