Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Oliver Fromme
Melvyn Sopacua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Features=0xa7e9f9bfFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLF LUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE + Features2=0x180EST,TM2 Q: What are those extra features Enhanced Speedstep, Thermal Monitor 2. and are they useful? ;-)

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Stephen Hurd
Security updates will be maintained for quite a while. However, it takes manpower to test each proposed security change, so it's very hard to justify doing them 'indefinitely'. The stated policy from the security team is 2 years. So they will probably support 5.5 into 2008, but I wanted to

Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Hello, i'm trying to update to -STABLE from today from a 6.0-RELEASE and make installworld fails here: /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_getaddrsbyname.3.gz - /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_resutil.3.gz /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_getnamebyaddr.3.gz - /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_resutil.3.gz

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Frank Steinborn wrote: Hello, i'm trying to update to -STABLE from today from a 6.0-RELEASE and make installworld fails here: /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_getaddrsbyname.3.gz - /usr/share/man/man3/lwres_resutil.3.gz

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Kris Kennaway wrote: strip: /usr/libexec/bootpd: Memory exhausted Well, is it? I don't think so, i have nothing in logs that something is going to be killed and i still have space in swap. Frank pgpUTrqqOOK9e.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Chuck Swiger
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Frank Steinborn wrote: i'm trying to update to -STABLE from today from a 6.0-RELEASE and make installworld fails here: [ ... ] === libexec/bootpd (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 bootpd /usr/libexec strip:

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Chuck Swiger wrote: While brevity is a paramount virtue in writing-- and about that topic, I cannot say too much [1]-- however, Frank, you might want to consider the output of swapinfo and top -o size. Perhaps you don't have enough swap configured, or none at all? Okay, i had a look at

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread martinko
Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:29:39 -0600 From: Craig Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -cpu0: ACPI CPU (4 Cx states) on acpi0 +cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 Q: Guessing that's a formatting difference, rather then 6.x not recognizing the states (sysctl

Re: Release Schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Bill Nicholls
Let me add my voice to this discussion. I have been a happy user of FreeBSD from 4.0 thru 4.11, but have stumbled repeatedly on 5.x and now 6.0. For some reason, I can get these (5 6) installed, but not stable or running KDE, yet 4.11 runs solid for months. In addition, not being able to run

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Melvyn Sopacua wrote: Can you strip bootpd after install? If you mean whether I can run strip bootpd: kellerkind:/usr/src# strip bootpd strip: 'bootpd': No such file I'm clueless at the moment. Frank pgpcUoL9vzNB1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Saturday 17 December 2005 21:34, Frank Steinborn wrote: Melvyn Sopacua wrote: Can you strip bootpd after install? If you mean whether I can run strip bootpd: kellerkind:/usr/src# strip bootpd strip: 'bootpd': No such file I'm clueless at the moment. strip /usr/libexec/bootpd --

Re: indefinite wait buffer: Does this indicate hardware issue?

2005-12-17 Thread Xin LI
Hi, Peter, On 12/17/05, Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 04:06:36 +0800, Xin LI wrote: No, it's sometimes other, and is quite infrequent. On the other hand, neither SMART nor error has reported some incident, so I was stuck when looking on hardware issues, as the

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Joe Rhett
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by the OS? Increasing the speed of

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Melvyn Sopacua wrote: strip /usr/libexec/bootpd strip: '/usr/libexec/bootpd': No such file Frank pgpf7adnFkflX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2005-12-17 Thread Joe Rhett
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by the OS? Increasing the speed of

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 01:54:34PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote.. On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and come up with a binary update

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Wilko Bulte wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 01:54:34PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote.. On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and

Re: Release Schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Mark Kane
Bill Nicholls wrote: Let me add my voice to this discussion. I have been a happy user of FreeBSD from 4.0 thru 4.11, but have stumbled repeatedly on 5.x and now 6.0. For some reason, I can get these (5 6) installed, but not stable or running KDE, yet 4.11 runs solid for months. In

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 23:35:34 +0100, Kövesdán Gábor wrote: I agree. And after all, tracking a security branch isn't too difficult, ... # cd /usr/src # patch /path/to/patch # cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug # make obj make depend make make install # cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/send-pr # make obj

Re: Release Schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 10:23:05AM -0800, Bill Nicholls wrote: Let me add my voice to this discussion. I have been a happy user of FreeBSD from 4.0 thru 4.11, but have stumbled repeatedly on 5.x and now 6.0. It looks like in the course of writing your long email you forgot to describe any of

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2005-12-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and come up with a binary update

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2005-12-17 Thread Chuck Swiger
Joe Rhett wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by the OS? Increasing

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Kevin Oberman
From: George Hartzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:05:51 -0800 Kevin Oberman writes: [...] No. There is no conflict between Cx states and EST. Cx states specifies how deeply the CPU will sleep when idle. EST controls processor speed and voltage. In most cases, your

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Saturday 17 December 2005 22:55, Frank Steinborn wrote: === libexec/bootpd (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555   bootpd /usr/libexec strip: /usr/libexec/bootpd: Memory exhausted Melvyn Sopacua wrote: strip /usr/libexec/bootpd strip: '/usr/libexec/bootpd': No such file

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:14:01 +0100 From: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:29:39 -0600 From: Craig Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -cpu0: ACPI CPU (4 Cx states) on acpi0 +cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 Q: Guessing that's a

Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006

2005-12-17 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
On Sunday 18 December 2005 01:13, Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:14:01 +0100 From: martinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:29:39 -0600 From: Craig Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -cpu0: ACPI CPU (4 Cx states)

i915drm

2005-12-17 Thread Gianmarco
HI all, I am running FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE (of today) on a HP Pavillon (centrino based notebook with i915 graphic chipset). I am trying to use the latest drm hook for i915, but I get this error: drmsub0: Intel i915GM port 0x1800-0x1807 mem

FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2005-12-17 Thread Scott Long
Peter Jeremy wrote: On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 23:35:34 +0100, Kövesdán Gábor wrote: I agree. And after all, tracking a security branch isn't too difficult, ... # cd /usr/src # patch /path/to/patch # cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvsbug # make obj make depend make make install # cd

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2005-12-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2005-Dec-17 18:19:25 -0700, Scott Long wrote: Peter Jeremy wrote: I think FreeBSD Update shows the way forward but IMHO there needs to be an official binary update tool accessible from www.freebsd.org. FreeBSD Update was written by, and is continuously maintained by the actual FreeBSD

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2005-12-17 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 02:00:21PM -0800 I heard the voice of Joe Rhett, and lo! it spake thus: Increasing the number of deployed systems out of date [...] This doesn't make any sense. If you install a 6.0 system, in 6 months (assuming you installed it right when 6.0 was cut, for simplicity),

Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006]

2005-12-17 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Scott Long wrote: Peter Jeremy wrote: I think FreeBSD Update shows the way forward but IMHO there needs to be an official binary update tool accessible from www.freebsd.org. FreeBSD Update was written by, and is continuously maintained by the actual FreeBSD Security Officer. It's as

Re: Update from 6.0-RELEASE fails

2005-12-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
Melvyn Sopacua wrote: alright: cp /usr/obj/usr/src/libexec/bootpd/bootpd /tmp/ strip /tmp/bootpd If that works, rm -rf /usr/obj and redo. See if memory is still exhausted after installworld, but do it in single user mode if you didn't. I did a fresh cvsup and build, now installworld is