Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-Jun-13 17:56:49 -0600, Dan Allen danalle...@airwired.net wrote: How do I get to the old loader when the machine boots and immediately stops? There is no ability at this point in the boot process to try and get to the old loader that I know of. Is there a hidden magic key

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Dan Allen wrote: How do I get to the old loader when the machine boots and immediately stops? There is no ability at this point in the boot process to try and get to the old loader that I know of. Is there a hidden magic key combination that allows this? You are correct

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Bruce Simpson
Pete French wrote: Any suggestions, or words of wisdom from anyone who has done someething similar themselevs in the past ? The ASUS EeePC 701 is cheap as chips and can easily be mass-flashed with NanoBSD images from a USB dongle. I wrote a reflash script but didn't release it -- it just

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Robert Klein
Bruce Simpson b...@incunabulum.net wrote: Pete French wrote: Any suggestions, or words of wisdom from anyone who has done someething similar themselevs in the past ? The ASUS EeePC 701 is cheap as chips and can easily be mass-flashed with NanoBSD images from a USB dongle. However, the

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread TJ Varghese
Aragon Gouveia wrote: snip No, I don't think you will need a CF-SATA adapter. A simple CF-ATA adapter should do. Those systems just have an Intel GCLF2 board in them, which has both SATA and ATA:

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Aragon Gouveia
TJ Varghese wrote: They're also fanless. :) Chipset has a fan, however the processor itself is fanless. I've read You are correct about the Intel GCLF2, however I was talking specifically about the tranquil system. They build their systems to be fanless, so I assume they remove the stock

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread TJ Varghese
Aragon Gouveia wrote: Hi, Pete French wrote: I'm not 100% sure, but fairly sure that you'll have a hard time finding something that combines the low-power standalone type spec with a 64-bit capable processor. Once you get the higher-end processor, That was my experiense when shopping

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Tuomo Latto
Aragon Gouveia wrote: TJ Varghese wrote: They're also fanless. :) Chipset has a fan, however the processor itself is fanless. I've read You are correct about the Intel GCLF2, however I was talking specifically about the tranquil system. They build their systems to be fanless, so I

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Pete French
I've tried the Atom330 (D945GCLF2). It works fine with amd64...however it's rather wasted for 64bit considering it maxes out at 2gb. But I suppose if you wanted to standardize on amd64 installs, this is good. Size of memory doesnt bother me really - I made the move to amd64 because of the

Why old files in /etc ?

2009-06-14 Thread Michael Gass
Just installed 7.2-release in an old Pavilion 4455 (PII, 256M) and it runs great. Csuped src and ports and rebuilt world and generic kernel for 7.2-stable and that went well. My question is why are the files in /etc in 7.2-stable older versions (generally) than in 7.2-release? I do not just

Re: reecommendations for an 'appliance platform ?

2009-06-14 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Pete French wrote: I've tried the Atom330 (D945GCLF2). It works fine with amd64...however it's rather wasted for 64bit considering it maxes out at 2gb. But I suppose if you wanted to standardize on amd64 installs, this is good. Size of memory doesnt bother me really - I made the move

Re: Why old files in /etc ?

2009-06-14 Thread Jilles Tjoelker
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 07:33:23AM -0500, Michael Gass wrote: Just installed 7.2-release in an old Pavilion 4455 (PII, 256M) and it runs great. Csuped src and ports and rebuilt world and generic kernel for 7.2-stable and that went well. My question is why are the files in /etc in 7.2-stable

Re: Why old files in /etc ?

2009-06-14 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Michael Gass wrote: Just installed 7.2-release in an old Pavilion 4455 (PII, 256M) and it runs great. Csuped src and ports and rebuilt world and generic kernel for 7.2-stable and that went well. My question is why are the files in /etc in 7.2-stable older versions

Does this disk/filesystem layout look sane to you?

2009-06-14 Thread Dan Naumov
Hello list. I just wanted to have an extra pair (or a dozen) of eyes look this configuration over before I commit to it (tested it in VMWare just in case, it works, so I am considering doing this on real hardware soon). I drew a nice diagram: http://www.pastebin.ca/1460089 Since it doesnt show on

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread CmdLnKid
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:56 -, danallen46 wrote: On 13 Jun 2009, at 5:42 PM, Paul B. Mahol wrote: On 6/13/09, Dan Allen danalle...@airwired.net wrote: I have now proven that the recent post June 8th version of /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/Makefile causes catastrophic data loss.

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Dan Allen
On 14 Jun 2009, at 10:38 AM, CmdLnKid wrote: Is it possible that you have most likely been playing around with ZFS before this and left some of the configurations of ZFS embedded in your drive and the loader is picking that up. No, I have never used ZFS. The drive is partitioned and the

Re: Does this disk/filesystem layout look sane to you?

2009-06-14 Thread Alson van der Meulen
* Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com [2009-06-14 18:17]: I just wanted to have an extra pair (or a dozen) of eyes look this configuration over before I commit to it (tested it in VMWare just in case, it works, so I am considering doing this on real hardware soon). I drew a nice diagram:

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Dan Allen
On 14 Jun 2009, at 1:27 AM, Daniel Eischen wrote: From one of your older emails, you mention you are using ad0s2a as / and ad0s2b as swap, and then say that ad0s2c is unused (I may have the ad0s2 part wrong). But ad0s2c should be the entire slice (or partition depending on the wording you are

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Dan Allen wrote: On 14 Jun 2009, at 1:27 AM, Daniel Eischen wrote: From one of your older emails, you mention you are using ad0s2a as / and ad0s2b as swap, and then say that ad0s2c is unused (I may have the ad0s2 part wrong). But ad0s2c should be the entire slice (or

Re: Let's back out LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT from STABLE

2009-06-14 Thread Dan Allen
On 14 Jun 2009, at 5:08 PM, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Dan Allen wrote: # /dev/ad0s2: 8 partitions: #size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 43591708 20971524.2BSD0 0 0 b: 20971520 swap c: 456888600unused

Re: Does this disk/filesystem layout look sane to you?

2009-06-14 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: I just wanted to have an extra pair (or a dozen) of eyes look this configuration over before I commit to it (tested it in VMWare just in case, it works, so I am considering doing this on real hardware soon). I drew a nice

Re: Does this disk/filesystem layout look sane to you?

2009-06-14 Thread Emil Mikulic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 07:16:52PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: I don't know for sure if it's the same on FreeBSD, but on Solaris, ZFS will disable the onboard disk cache if the vdevs are not whole disks. pjd@ has stated in the past that this doesn't apply to FreeBSD:

Re: Does this disk/filesystem layout look sane to you?

2009-06-14 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Emil Mikulic emiku...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 07:16:52PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: I don't know for sure if it's the same on FreeBSD, but on Solaris, ZFS will disable the onboard disk cache if the vdevs are not whole disks. pjd@ has