Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-02-08 Thread John Baldwin
On Friday 05 February 2010 9:00:51 am Oliver Fromme wrote: > Randi Harper wrote: > > Marian Hettwer wrote: > > > +1 vote for making / bigger. > > > At least a size where a make installkernel runs through. > > > > This is going to happen. It's been on my to-do list for a while, as I > > find

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-02-05 Thread Oliver Fromme
Randi Harper wrote: > Marian Hettwer wrote: > > +1 vote for making / bigger. > > At least a size where a make installkernel runs through. > > This is going to happen. It's been on my to-do list for a while, as I > find it increasingly annoying. The default sizes of all mount points > need t

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-02-05 Thread Oliver Brandmueller
Hi Randi, On 02/03/10 02:43, Randi Harper wrote: This is going to happen. It's been on my to-do list for a while, as I find it increasingly annoying. The default sizes of all mount points need to be tweaked a bit. Be patient, there will be some new changes going into sysinstall very soon. Grea

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-02-02 Thread Randi Harper
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Marian Hettwer wrote: > Hi All, > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:21:56 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default >> 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buildkernel and >>

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/01/2010 16:33 Jeremy Chadwick said the following: > > The *.symbols files I have for the kernel are installed in /boot/kernel. > I'm referring to "stuff" in /usr/obj which appears to be required to > debug a crash (vmcore). What I'm describing is even mentioned in the > FreeBSD Developers H

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 04:25:27PM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 29/01/2010 15:40 Jeremy Chadwick said the following: > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:29:51PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > I don't think you need them unless remote debugging and

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 29/01/2010 15:40 Jeremy Chadwick said the following: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:29:51PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: I don't think you need them unless remote debugging and in that case you are multiuser (I would have thought anyway). >>

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:29:51PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > > I don't think you need them unless remote debugging and in that > > > case you are multiuser (I would have thought anyway). > > > > > > If they went into /usr then /boot could remain

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > I don't think you need them unless remote debugging and in that > > case you are multiuser (I would have thought anyway). > > > > If they went into /usr then /boot could remain slim. > > But what if you have /usr on a gmirror, glabel, zfs filesystem or

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-29 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:43:49PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor typed: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:23:28AM +, Adrian Wontroba typed: > > > I concur that the 235 MB size of an amd64 8.0 kernel is a bit of a > > > surprise. An i386 kernel is a mere 135 MB

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-26 Thread Oliver Brandmueller
Hi, On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 04:20:54PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Also, at the start of this thread, the OP said that he did a buildkernel > and a buildworld. This is broken and may produce a non-bootable > kernel. Always buildworld and then buildkernel so that the new toolchain > is used to bu

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:41:59 -0600 Larry Rosenman wrote: > > add the following to /etc/make.conf: > INSTALL_NODEBUG=yes This is useful. Thanks! -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-25 Thread Oliver Fromme
Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote: > Why you are suggesting /var >= 2*RAM? Is it just for saving crash dumps > or anything else? And why so big /tmp? I am running servers with smaller > sizes for years without any problem. Me too. I usually set up a small memory disk for /tmp. I neve

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-24 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: Hi, I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buildkernel and buildworld (no custom kernel, no make.conf). Instaling the new kernel failed, since /boot/kernel/

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Larry Rosenman
On Sat, January 23, 2010 8:35 pm, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:20:54 -0800 > Kevin Oberman wrote: > >> Just for the record and to avoid further confusion, building a kernel >> with debug symbols does not take any more space in root. Another copy of >> the kernel is built but

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:20:54 -0800 Kevin Oberman wrote: > Just for the record and to avoid further confusion, building a kernel > with debug symbols does not take any more space in root. Another copy of > the kernel is built but not installed into /kernel. The copy of the kernel > in /kernel is a

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Steven Friedrich > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:20:30 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org > > On Friday 22 January 2010 06:32:02 pm Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:56:31PM -0500, Steven Friedrich wrote: > > > in your /etc/make.conf, do you

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Clifton Royston
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:21:48PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 09:04:57PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: ... > > And why so big /tmp? I am running servers with smaller sizes for years > > without any problem. > > My recommendation above doesn'

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: [...] 2) I tend to keep a large amount of logs on systems, going back weeks if not months. This is intentional; it's amazing how often a customer or user will ask for some information from 3 or 4 months prior. FreeBSD's Apache port out-of-the-box logs to /var/log/httpd-

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 09:04:57PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > [...] > > >While I'm here, I figure I'd share how I end up partitioning most of the > >server systems I maintain. I use this general "formula" when building a > >new system, unless it's a 4-disk box (s

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: [...] While I'm here, I figure I'd share how I end up partitioning most of the server systems I maintain. I use this general "formula" when building a new system, unless it's a 4-disk box (see bottom of mail): ad4s1a = /= UFS2= 1GB ad4s1b = swap = (2*R

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Barney Wolff
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:43:49PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > To be a little more precise: it's not the >kernel< that is so big. > > It's all the (mostly not needed) modules and symbol files that fill > > up / > > Maybe they could be put somewher

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:23:28AM +, Adrian Wontroba typed: > > I concur that the 235 MB size of an amd64 8.0 kernel is a bit of a > > surprise. An i386 kernel is a mere 135 MB. IMO increasing the > > sysinstall default root slice size for at least

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-23 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 01:23:28AM +, Adrian Wontroba typed: > I concur that the 235 MB size of an amd64 8.0 kernel is a bit of a > surprise. An i386 kernel is a mere 135 MB. IMO increasing the sysinstall > default root slice size for at least amd64 would be a good thing. To be a little more

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Steven Friedrich
On Friday 22 January 2010 06:32:02 pm Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:56:31PM -0500, Steven Friedrich wrote: > > in your /etc/make.conf, do you have a line like: > > makeoptions DEBUG=-g > > if so, comment it out. > > The GENEREIC kernel by default has the followin

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Adrian Wontroba
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 05:21:56PM +0100, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > > I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default > 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buildkernel and > buildworld (no custom kernel, no make.conf). > > Instaling the new kernel

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Oliver Brandmueller
Hi, On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:56:31PM -0500, Steven Friedrich wrote: > in your /etc/make.conf, do you have a line like: > makeoptions DEBUG=-g > if so, comment it out. The GENEREIC kernel by default has the following config: makeoptions DEBUG=-g# Build kernel with gdb(1) d

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Steven Friedrich
On Friday 22 January 2010 11:46:01 am Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:21:56 +0100 > > Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > > Instaling the new kernel failed, since /boot/kernel/ is already well > > over 230 MBytes in size. moving that to kernel.old and writing a new one > > with about t

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 05:27:52PM +0100, Marian Hettwer wrote: > Hi All, > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:21:56 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default > > 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buil

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:21:56 +0100 Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Instaling the new kernel failed, since /boot/kernel/ is already well > over 230 MBytes in size. moving that to kernel.old and writing a new one > with about the same size fails due to no space left on device. > > This is not a que

Re: 8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Marian Hettwer
Hi All, On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:21:56 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Hi, > > I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default > 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buildkernel and > buildworld (no custom kernel, no make.conf). > > Instaling the ne

8.0-RELEASE -> -STABLE and size of /

2010-01-22 Thread Oliver Brandmueller
Hi, I just noticed somthing: I setup an 8.0-RELEASE amd64 box, / is default 512M. First step after setup was to csup to RELENG_8 and buildkernel and buildworld (no custom kernel, no make.conf). Instaling the new kernel failed, since /boot/kernel/ is already well over 230 MBytes in size. moving