Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-12-15 Thread Glendon Gross
Is there anyone interested in rewriting that "fake" partition table, or is that requirement satisfied by the non-dedicated format? I actually like sysinstall, now that I am used to it, but it would be aesthetically more pleasing to be able to use the dedicated format. I am curious if there

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-12-15 Thread Helge Oldach
Glendon Gross: Is there anyone interested in rewriting that "fake" partition table, Please look at the thread with the same topic three weeks ago. I stated that it wouldn't be possible because there is a fundamental disagreement: BIOS standard demands that the first *sector* always remains

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-12-14 Thread Glendon Gross
Please correct me if I am wrong, but this discussion seems to revolve around a problem that results from nonstandard BIOS routines. On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : No it isn't bogus. You can't boot off a DD disk on some machines

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-23 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 06:43:33AM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: can someone remember me the problem w/ DD ? Geez, we've just had a 30 message thread that stated many times the problem with dang.ded. drives. well, I don't have tested anything since I don't have any free drive to burn, but

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-22 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has it occured to you that perhaps there are people that really, really want DD? can someone remember me the problem w/ DD ? I guess that DD a drive is not a problem if done w/in the state of the art (or something like that). - what about to fdisk the destination

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-21 Thread opentrax
On 20 Nov, Mike Smith wrote: Let me state this one more time loudly for those calling themselves boot code experts. THE PARTITION TABLE IN THE MBR IS NOT DEALT WITH BY THE BIOS, BIOSES THAT TRY TO MAKE HEADS OR TALES OF PARTITION TABLES ARE TECHNICALLY BROKEN AND VIOLATE IBM AT

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-20 Thread Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table.

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-20 Thread Jim King
Greg Lehey wrote: On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 23:57:25 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:53:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: If it shows valid partitions, you're using a Microsoft partition table. ^

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that : enough? No. Writing in 'C' isn't necesary and wastes space. That, in and of itself, isn't a reason to not use it. But like mike said, it was the ability to create these for

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Daniel O'Connor" writes: : At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get : stuck with it. I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. I don't think that anyone will remove it from the kernel... Warner To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Jim King
Greg Lehey wrote: Why is DD ever _needed_? Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives nowadays. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 18:50:40 -0600, Jim King wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: Why is DD ever _needed_? Because Microsoft partition tables waste space. That's a really weak argument, given the price and size of drives nowadays. It's a matter of principle. Why waste? Greg -- Finger

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 17:48:14 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: They waste space. In most cases, they're not needed. Isn't that enough? No. Writing in 'C' isn't necesary and wastes space. That, in and of itself, isn't a reason to not use

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 19 November 2000 at 17:50:48 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Daniel O'Connor" writes: At least remove the option from sysinstall so new users don't get stuck with it. I strongly support this. It has burned me on several machines. I don't think that

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 20-Nov-00 Greg Lehey wrote: OK, the more this thread continues, the more it's looking as if we're talking about different things. I don't have (much) of an objection to removing it from sysinstall. If that's all we're talking about, I don't have any further objections. But I still

Re: Dedicated disks (was: Dangerously Dedicated)

2000-11-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Lehey writes: : I wonder how long the current Microsoft partition table has to live, : anyway? Sooner or later people are going to have to move to LBA : addressing, or disks will get so big that the partition table can't : address them. Then, hopefully, we'll