Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-09-11 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Hello everyone! I want to thank all of you for ideas and support! Finally I've resolved this annoying problem with "Unexplained power off". Right were those who supposed hardware problem. I've replaced PSU, and everything is OK - system is stable under any load... Android Andrew [:] wrote: Tha

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-19 Thread Vladimir Botka
Check (try and change) the power cable. Just an idea, but i have seen this kind of mystery before. Cheers, -vlado On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Alexey Karagodov wrote: you have ichwd ... what settings in bios and on motherboard related to watchdog? 2006/8/17, Android Andrew [:] <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Alexey Karagodov
you have ichwd ... what settings in bios and on motherboard related to watchdog? 2006/8/17, Android Andrew [:] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you for answers! Yesterday the last iteration of high load testing finished with just another power off. There are two ways of problem-solving have been out

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Android Andrew [:]
It is fresh mobo (about 8 months). I've visually checked capacitors - it looks good. Well, it is time to change something in my life: mobo or PSU, or disks, or memory, or something else Apatewna wrote: Another good indication for a hosed motherboard (probably caused by bad power supply)

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Thank you for answers! Yesterday the last iteration of high load testing finished with just another power off. There are two ways of problem-solving have been outlined in this thread. One way - hardware problem, e.g. PSU. Another way - software, e.g. APM/ACPI problem. I could not find any PSU f

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Apatewna
Another good indication for a hosed motherboard (probably caused by bad power supply) is to check the large cylindrical capacitors between the processor and the PS/2 ports. There are at most 10 of them. If the capacitors have a flat top head they are ok. If their top head is curved upwards and i

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Christian Walther wrote: > This is just a wild, uneducated guess, because I'm not a long FreeBSD > user, but from my point of view this error could really be related to > ACPI/APM, as already has been suggested. It smells a bit that way to me too. I've just read the whole

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2006-Aug-15 15:32:55 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >It ended up that something had gone wrong with the >motherboard itself. It was about two months from the >time I first started to see problems to the point >where it completely died. It was a very frustrating >two months! On two occas

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2006-Aug-15 22:34:55 +0300, Android Andrew [:] wrote: >In this case I could only replace PSU for testing. That's probably a worthwhile step. >>It might be worthwhile setting up a serial console and logging it >>on another box to see if anything is written to the console before >>it dies.

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Darren Henderson
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Android Andrew [:] wrote: My system (FreeBSD callisto 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #4: Mon Aug 14 13:32:00 EEST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/callisto i386) powers down during compilation - doesn't matter it is any port (kde, openoffice) or "make -j4 buildwo

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Michael Proto
Android Andrew [:] wrote: > > > Peter Jeremy wrote: >> On Tue, 2006-Aug-15 21:17:21 +0300, Apatewna wrote: >>> O/H Android Andrew [:] ??: I've checked supply voltages by digital multimeter, >> >> This won't show a noisy supply rail (eg due to high ESR capacitors). >> If you suspect power

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
It sounds encouragingly :) I guess it is time to download some testing tools... Garance A Drosihn wrote: It ended up that something had gone wrong with the motherboard itself. It was about two months from the time I first started to see problems to the point where it completely died. It was a

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Peter Jeremy wrote: On Tue, 2006-Aug-15 21:17:21 +0300, Apatewna wrote: O/H Android Andrew [:] ??: I've checked supply voltages by digital multimeter, This won't show a noisy supply rail (eg due to high ESR capacitors). If you suspect power, check the rails under load (eg lots of disk s

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 7:59 PM +0300 8/15/06, Android Andrew [:] wrote: Yes, nothing changed. Problem could be in anything: memory, raid controller, network adapter, power supply, bios and so on. But to test it all empirically will take too much time. The most annoying thing in this situation is absence of any syst

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2006-Aug-15 21:17:21 +0300, Apatewna wrote: >O/H Android Andrew [:] ??: >>I've checked supply voltages by digital multimeter, This won't show a noisy supply rail (eg due to high ESR capacitors). If you suspect power, check the rails under load (eg lots of disk seeks and I/O) using an o

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Apatewna
O/H Android Andrew [:] έγραψε: Hi Christoph! I've checked supply voltages by digital multimeter, and temperature I've checked "manually" by putting my hand on supply case - it is not very "academical" method, but reliable enough, I guess :) I had an idea about capability of power supply. It

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Yes, nothing changed. Problem could be in anything: memory, raid controller, network adapter, power supply, bios and so on. But to test it all empirically will take too much time. The most annoying thing in this situation is absence of any system/kernel messages or reports that could explain s

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
As I mentioned in previous post, I recompiled my kernel without ACPI/APM, with debug option. I've updated BIOS and tested the system. Successful. I mean successful crash. Christian Walther wrote: This is just a wild, uneducated guess, because I'm not a long FreeBSD user, but from my point o

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Joseph Koshy
a> ... but I don't understand why machine should go to suspend or a> hibernation through high user/system activity... o_O Another suggestion would be to check the SMPS in the system. These symptoms could be explained by voltages going out of spec when under load. -- FreeBSD Volunteer, http

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Hi Christoph! I've checked supply voltages by digital multimeter, and temperature I've checked "manually" by putting my hand on supply case - it is not very "academical" method, but reliable enough, I guess :) I had an idea about capability of power supply. It is 420 Watt device. I physicall

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Alexey Karagodov
yes, that's correct question ... your's mobo reports about everything is fine may be mistaken ... check your ACPI and related settings and hardware 2006/8/15, Christoph Schug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tue, Aug 15, 2006, Android Andrew [:] wrote: > At first I thought that problem could be in CPU

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Christian, thank you! I recompiled my kernel without ACPI/APM, with debug option. I've updated BIOS. I'm testing the system now. About any results I will tell later. ... but I don't understand why machine should go to suspend or hibernation through high user/system activity... o_O Christian

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Christoph Schug
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006, Android Andrew [:] wrote: > At first I thought that problem could be in CPU, power supply, mobo > chips overheating, but temperature sensors reported everything is OK. To > be on the safe side I installed additional radiators and coolers. But it > doesn't solve the problem

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Christian Walther
This is just a wild, uneducated guess, because I'm not a long FreeBSD user, but from my point of view this error could really be related to ACPI/APM, as already has been suggested. Maybe the machine is trying to go to suspend, but fails while doing so, which in the end would mean that it can't rec

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
It is possible, but now machine does not getting too hot. See my first post: "At first I thought that problem could be in CPU, power supply, mobo chips overheating, but temperature sensors reported everything is OK. To be on the safe side I installed additional radiators and coolers. But it doe

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Dennis Melentyev
2006/8/15, Android Andrew [:] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Dennis Melentyev wrote: > Don't take it personally, but could it just power-off the monitor? > What does show the disk activity led? :) No, monitor shows there's no signal... Disk activity led and power led are off. Keyboard leds are off too. T

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Dennis Melentyev wrote: Don't take it personally, but could it just power-off the monitor? What does show the disk activity led? :) No, monitor shows there's no signal... Disk activity led and power led are off. Keyboard leds are off too. There is no network activity, no ping-reply... AFA

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Dennis Melentyev
Don't take it personally, but could it just power-off the monitor? What does show the disk activity led? AFAIR, if you have to power-off manually (long pressing power button) before power-on, it does will make FS dirty. Instead of real correct power-off case. Try to make a simple script appendin

Re: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:31:08 +0300, Alexey Karagodov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: are you realy SURE that you workstation turned off? i think it just "sleeping" ;-) . after power and boot up is your file-systems "clean" or fsck takes place during boot-time? please, check your power-save settings

FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE: Unexplained power off

2006-08-15 Thread Android Andrew [:]
Hi everyone! My system (FreeBSD callisto 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #4: Mon Aug 14 13:32:00 EEST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/callisto i386) powers down during compilation - doesn't matter it is any port (kde, openoffice) or "make -j4 buildworld". Computer powers off without