Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:00:29PM +, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > Makes it harder to debug, etc. Don't want to see anything IPv6 related in > command output, to let programs to bind on IPv6 addresses, etc. Changing the Subject (but keeping the thread ID reference), since the original topic of dis

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Mark Andrews
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:00:29PM +, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > > Makes it harder to debug, etc. Don't want to see anything IPv6 related in > > command output, to let programs to bind on IPv6 addresses, etc. > > Changing the Subject (but keeping the thread ID reference), since the > original

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Mar 5, 2008, at 17:31 , Mark Andrews wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:00:29PM +, Vadim Goncharov wrote: * The last I read about IPv6 in mainstream news, there were major concerns cited over some of the security aspects of the protocol. I also remember reading somewhere that IPv6 wa

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Peter Wemm
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2008, at 17:31 , Mark Andrews wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:00:29PM +, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > > >>> * The last I read about IPv6 in mainstream news, there were major > >> concern

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Mark Andrews
> On Mar 5, 2008, at 17:31 , Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > >> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:00:29PM +, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > >>> * The last I read about IPv6 in mainstream news, there were major > >> concerns cited over some of the security aspects of the protocol. I > >> also remember reading

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Gratton
Hi Jeremy, On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 08:01 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > * I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the protocol. No better time (or way) to learn! Get going! > * The last I read about IPv6 in mainstream news, there were major > concerns cited over some of the security aspects of

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Ruben van Staveren
The interesting thing, to stay on topic, is that people are willing to explore a feature called "SCTP" which to my knowledge is younger than "IPv6". This makes the whole discussion sort of moot, right ? Speaking for the devil's advocate... The point of insecurity does not hold up if you loo

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:51:11AM +0100, Ruben van Staveren wrote: >The interesting thing, to stay on topic, is that people are willing to >explore a feature called "SCTP" which to my knowledge is younger than >"IPv6". This makes the whole discussion sort of moot, right ? In my case, I have a u

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Pete French
> Agreed. But at this stage I can't justify the effort to do anything > more than have a very cursory glance it at. What benefit would I > derive from setting up an IPv6 network and attempting to experiment > with it? My ISP won't support IPv6 and I'm reasonably certain my > cable-modem doesn't

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:41:40 +1100 > From: Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:51:11AM +0100, Ruben van Staveren wrote: > >The interesting thing, to stay on topic, is that people are willing to > >explore a feature called "SCTP" which to

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:24:08 -0800 Kevin Oberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You don't set up an IPv6 network. You simply have end nodes that will > use IPv6 when/if it is available by just making a one-line change in > rc.conf as opposed to a kernel re-build. But to make it (an ip v6 network) u

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Kevin Downey
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:24:08 -0800 > Kevin Oberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You don't set up an IPv6 network. You simply have end nodes that will > > use IPv6 when/if it is available by just making a one-line

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-06 Thread Mark Andrews
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:24:08 -0800 > Kevin Oberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You don't set up an IPv6 network. You simply have end nodes that will > > use IPv6 when/if it is available by just making a one-line change in > > rc.conf as opposed to a kernel re-build. > > But to make it (an

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-07 Thread Vadim Goncharov
Hi Michael Gratton! On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:46:52 +1100; Michael Gratton wrote about 'Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it': >> * I have never liked how IPv6 denotes its addresses by using colon- >> delimited hexadecimal strings. > The glib answer would be "an

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-07 Thread Vadim Goncharov
Hi Jeremy Chadwick! On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:01:43 -0800; Jeremy Chadwick wrote about 'Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it': >> Makes it harder to debug, etc. Don't want to see anything IPv6 related in >> command output, to let programs to bind on IPv6 addresses,

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-07 Thread Bob Johnson
On 3/6/08, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words; if I have machines with ipv6 adresses that I can reach > globally, but don't have a dns name for them, the usefulness is very > limited. > > Is that challenge solved somehow with ipv6? > It doesn't look like dyndns.org suppor

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-09 Thread Oliver Fromme
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > You don't set up an IPv6 network. You simply have end nodes that will > > use IPv6 when/if it is available by just making a one-line change in > > rc.conf as opposed to a kernel re-build. > > But to make it (an ip v6 network) useful, I (as

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-09 Thread JoaoBR
On Thursday 06 March 2008 16:24:08 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Agreed.  But at this stage I can't justify the effort to do anything > > more than have a very cursory glance it at.  What benefit would I > > derive from setting up an IPv6 network and attempting to experiment > > with it?  My ISP won't s

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-09 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:14:34 +0100 (CET) Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why use dyndns.org? Your IPv6 address isn't dynamic. You are correct, of course. It shows that l I haven't got my head around the whole ipv6 issue, right? > My home ISP doesn't support native IPv6 yet (though th

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-09 Thread Oliver Fromme
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Why use dyndns.org? Your IPv6 address isn't dynamic. > > You are correct, of course. > It shows that l I haven't got my head around the > whole ipv6 issue, right? Well, if you've never worked with IPv6 before, it takes a little time t

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-09 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: JoaoBR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:19:33 -0300 > > On Thursday 06 March 2008 16:24:08 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Agreed.  But at this stage I can't justify the effort to do anything > > > more than have a very cursory glance it at.  What benefit would I > > > derive from

Re: INET6 -- and why I don't use it

2008-03-10 Thread JoaoBR
On Sunday 09 March 2008 20:41:51 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > From: JoaoBR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:19:33 -0300 > > > > your computer will or better CAN use ipv6 when it is on a ipv6 network > > and nothing else, ipv6 WILL NOT come eventually available on your ipv4 > > network (