Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-05 Thread Nikolas Britton
Hello all, I will be getting my very first 64-bit x86 system tomorrow and I don't know anything about the platform at the software level. The last time I touched an AMD based system was in the socket 7 days. HELP!, what do I do with the extra 32-bits of CPU goodness? :-) $200 bucks got me a Athl

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Vivek Khera
On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: $200 bucks got me a Athlon 64 3000+ Venice and a ASUS A8V Motherboard. I'll be converting my Pentium 4 2.26GHz desktop system that has FreeBSD 6.1-PRERELEASE i386 on it, gcc is currently set to build with -march=pentium2 and -mtune=pentium4 via

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Pete French
> If your running a desktop, I'd recommend sticking with 32-bit. For a > server doing a lot of I/O, go with 64-bit. The Athlon will run very > fast in both modes, but your software compatibility is better in i386 > mode. Interesting comment - I have a server at home with a pair of Opteron

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Vivek Khera
On Apr 6, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Pete French wrote: I was thinking of moving this to amd64, but was kind of put off by results from a test system I setup using an Athlon 64 3700+ to talk to this machine. The opteron box is currently running 6.1-PRE/i386, and the 3700 is Let me comment that my

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Pete French
> Let me comment that my 64-bit commentary about I/O is based on > experience with Opterons, which have excellent I/O bandwidth. The > Intel EM64T boxes do ok, too, but I have no experience with other 64- > bit CPUs. The opterons are just a notch above anything else that > I've used. Ah,

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Apr-06 15:38:20 +0100, Pete French wrote: >I was thinking of moving this to amd64, but was kind of put off by results >from a test system I setup using an Athlon 64 3700+ to talk to this >machine. The opteron box is currently running 6.1-PRE/i386, and the 3700 is >runiing either Window

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Tim Middleton
Skipping all of your technical questions I'll tell you my experience. The only regret i have is one that makes me sometimes wish I'd not upgraded my desktop 64 bit... the dri drivers for xorg lock up my box (ATI card). This has been a thorn in my side for over 6 months now, but I just haven't had t

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-07 Thread Miguel Ramos
Sex, 2006-04-07 às 00:18 -0400, Tim Middleton escreveu: > Skipping all of your technical questions I'll tell you my experience. The > only regret i have is one that makes me sometimes wish I'd not upgraded my > desktop 64 bit... the dri drivers for xorg lock up my box (ATI card). This > has been a

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Dmitry Morozovsky
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ> >I know that what I should do is install i386 on the client and test again, but PJ> >doing that will lose my only 64 bit environment so I am loathe to do so. Any PJ> >comments ? PJ> PJ> Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-insta

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: >On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: >PJ> Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install >PJ> the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchmark is always >PJ> your own application. > >Or, even better, us

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Chris H.
Quoting Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ> Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ> the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchmark is always PJ> yo

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Scott Long
Chris H. wrote: Quoting Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ> Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ> the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchma

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 18:00:56 -0600, Scott Long wrote: >Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, >unfortunately) I got my first ZBR (zone-block recording) Seagate SCSI disk at work about 20 years ago. I'm not sure when it became common. >other day. I'm still not clear on w

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: > > Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, > unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of the > platter than the inner rim. Pretty much any disk you'd current

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Chris H.
Quoting "Matthew D. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of the platter than the i

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Pete French
> Note that using different slices may change your results. All modern > disks are faster near the outside (start of the disk) then the inside > (I get more than 50% increase from inside to outside on one system). I am thinking this will not be an issue, given that it is the performance of the ne

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Christian Lopez de Castilla Wagner
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:22 -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of > Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, > > unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 10:02:34AM -0400 I heard the voice of Christian Lopez de Castilla Wagner, and lo! it spake thus: > > As you can see, the outside is more than twice as fast in this case. > Just a guess, since both are IBM disks: You're using a > Workstation/Server disk, which probably perfo

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-11 Thread Tuomo Latto
Chris H. wrote: > Interesting to note (to me anyway) is my SCSI reports fastest on the outside > whereas my (earlier reported) ATA reports faster in the center (middle). You get better seek times on average in the center. Maybe that affected your results? -- Tuomo ... Nitpicking - not just a h