Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-11 Thread Tuomo Latto
Chris H. wrote: Interesting to note (to me anyway) is my SCSI reports fastest on the outside whereas my (earlier reported) ATA reports faster in the center (middle). You get better seek times on average in the center. Maybe that affected your results? -- Tuomo ... Nitpicking - not just a

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Pete French
Note that using different slices may change your results. All modern disks are faster near the outside (start of the disk) then the inside (I get more than 50% increase from inside to outside on one system). I am thinking this will not be an issue, given that it is the performance of the

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Christian Lopez de Castilla Wagner
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:22 -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of the

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-10 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 10:02:34AM -0400 I heard the voice of Christian Lopez de Castilla Wagner, and lo! it spake thus: As you can see, the outside is more than twice as fast in this case. Just a guess, since both are IBM disks: You're using a Workstation/Server disk, which probably performs

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 18:00:56 -0600, Scott Long wrote: Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, unfortunately) I got my first ZBR (zone-block recording) Seagate SCSI disk at work about 20 years ago. I'm not sure when it became common. other day. I'm still not clear on

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of the platter than the inner rim. Pretty much any disk you'd currently

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-09 Thread Chris H.
Quoting Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 06:00:56PM -0600 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: Modern disks (I don't know how to define a cutoff to this term, unfortunately) definitely put more bits onto the outer rim of the platter than the

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Dmitry Morozovsky
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ I know that what I should do is install i386 on the client and test again, but PJ doing that will lose my only 64 bit environment so I am loathe to do so. Any PJ comments ? PJ PJ Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchmark is always PJ your own application. Or, even better, use spare

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Chris H.
Quoting Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchmark is always PJ your

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-08 Thread Scott Long
Chris H. wrote: Quoting Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2006-Apr-08 20:41:36 +0400, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Peter Jeremy wrote: PJ Backup your amd64 environment and install i386. You can re-install PJ the amd64 once the testing is finished. The best benchmark

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-07 Thread Tim Middleton
Skipping all of your technical questions I'll tell you my experience. The only regret i have is one that makes me sometimes wish I'd not upgraded my desktop 64 bit... the dri drivers for xorg lock up my box (ATI card). This has been a thorn in my side for over 6 months now, but I just haven't had

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-07 Thread Miguel Ramos
Sex, 2006-04-07 às 00:18 -0400, Tim Middleton escreveu: Skipping all of your technical questions I'll tell you my experience. The only regret i have is one that makes me sometimes wish I'd not upgraded my desktop 64 bit... the dri drivers for xorg lock up my box (ATI card). This has been a

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Vivek Khera
On Apr 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: $200 bucks got me a Athlon 64 3000+ Venice and a ASUS A8V Motherboard. I'll be converting my Pentium 4 2.26GHz desktop system that has FreeBSD 6.1-PRERELEASE i386 on it, gcc is currently set to build with -march=pentium2 and -mtune=pentium4

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Pete French
If your running a desktop, I'd recommend sticking with 32-bit. For a server doing a lot of I/O, go with 64-bit. The Athlon will run very fast in both modes, but your software compatibility is better in i386 mode. Interesting comment - I have a server at home with a pair of Opteron

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Vivek Khera
On Apr 6, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Pete French wrote: I was thinking of moving this to amd64, but was kind of put off by results from a test system I setup using an Athlon 64 3700+ to talk to this machine. The opteron box is currently running 6.1-PRE/i386, and the 3700 is Let me comment that

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Pete French
Let me comment that my 64-bit commentary about I/O is based on experience with Opterons, which have excellent I/O bandwidth. The Intel EM64T boxes do ok, too, but I have no experience with other 64- bit CPUs. The opterons are just a notch above anything else that I've used. Ah, O.K.

Re: Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-06 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Apr-06 15:38:20 +0100, Pete French wrote: I was thinking of moving this to amd64, but was kind of put off by results from a test system I setup using an Athlon 64 3700+ to talk to this machine. The opteron box is currently running 6.1-PRE/i386, and the 3700 is runiing either Windows

Pros and Cons of amd64 (versus i386).

2006-04-05 Thread Nikolas Britton
Hello all, I will be getting my very first 64-bit x86 system tomorrow and I don't know anything about the platform at the software level. The last time I touched an AMD based system was in the socket 7 days. HELP!, what do I do with the extra 32-bits of CPU goodness? :-) $200 bucks got me a