Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Matt
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt wrote: >> >> Just updated to 7-STABLE last night and found that Truecrypt (which >> uses a combination of fuse and mdconfig to mount its encrypted >> volumes) is now completely unable to mount its encrypted volumes. >> I'

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Doug Barton
Matt wrote: Just updated to 7-STABLE last night and found that Truecrypt (which uses a combination of fuse and mdconfig to mount its encrypted volumes) is now completely unable to mount its encrypted volumes. I've rebuilt fusefs-kmod and fusefs-libs as well as Truecrypt to no avail. Silly quest

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Matt
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-01 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:44:17AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080729 08:47] wrote: > > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-01 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080729 08:47] wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the impact of the AB

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:30:31 schrieben Sie: > I do not use the fuse fs myself. But the issue was raised during the > internal discussion of the MFC, and it seems that fuse could be not > affected. > > The change only adds the field at the end of the vnode structure, so all > existing fields

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
David Southwell wrote: It sure helps the understanding bit but how about specific instructions about who is to what to do in this instance? I fear that the forest is getting lost for the trees here. :) Under most (90% or more) circumstances "stuff," be that kernel modules or userland binaries

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Schouten
* Ian FREISLICH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > fcntl(2) or flock(2) that runs on 7.0, will n

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Smith
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:55 -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > David Southwell wrote: > > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > > "Stable Branch

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > Sometimes information gets posted to this list on the assumption that >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > > > Some

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 04:26:33 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge case of w

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 01:26:33PM +0200, Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge ca

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > this." > The edge case of what can go wrong is so small, that you must be doing > quite speci

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:02:52 +0200, Heiko Wundram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? I think in this case (the ABI b

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: > i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? -- Heiko Wundram ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://li

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 03:11:54 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > > implications and how to deal

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them. ABI (Application Binary Interface) is a term used t

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Vlad GALU
On 7/30/08, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breakage, and

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 02:47:34AM -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breaka

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:47:34 David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: ... > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them.

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:47:34 +0200, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be implemented without ABI

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the impact of the ABI break