Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-03 Thread Danny Braniss
> Danny, > > Thanks for the suggestion, but my system is a P-III so there is only one > CPU. At 1GHz, I think that this easily qualifies as an "older, slower, > non-smp host". I just tried it on a GEODE/7.0 stable - slower than a P-III :-), and dump went smoothly so, to help isolate the problem,

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:39:20 +0300 > From: Danny Braniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > take a look at: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 Danny, Thanks for the suggestion, but my system is a P-III so there is only one CPU. At 1GHz, I think that this easily qualifies as an "

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:20AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 danny That PR may or may not be relevant, depending upon what FreeBSD version users are using, and what kernel

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-02 Thread Danny Braniss
take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 danny ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:20AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > take a look at: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 > danny That PR may or may not be relevant, depending upon what FreeBSD version users are using, and what kernel build date. The bug mentioned in that PR got

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Derek Kuliński
Hello Jeremy, Monday, September 1, 2008, 3:27:38 PM, you wrote: [... links about problems with snapshots ...] the dump can be used without snapshots, in that case is it a still worse method of doing backups? as for the snapshots, you made me even more depressed :) I don't have huge hard disk so

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:38:56 -0700 > From: Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:00:12AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > > > From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > At 05:07 AM 9/1

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:38:56PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > The problem was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes > slower and slower to generate (this is what dump does on UFS2 systems, > with or without the -L flag), and is a known design issue. Clarification: dump on UFS2 (wi

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 05:38 PM 9/1/2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Can someone explain what "dump frequently hangs" actually means? Does it lock up the entire machine indefinitely (and if so, how long did you wait for it to (hopefully) recover)? As in the process hanging. For me, it was fixed quite some time ago

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:38:56PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > ... I'll try to find the thread (it was a year or so ago) > where a developer told me more or less what was going on. The problem > was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes slower and slower > to generate (this is wha

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:00:12AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > > From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuli??ski wrote: > > > > >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Michael
Sorry to scare you, I was a little unhappy about dump hanging. Based on the cvs repository I wrote a little patch that combines two changes made by scott and jeff that works agains 7.0-RELEASE (looking at the commit logs scared me away from trying STABLE on production right now. After applying

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Derek Kuliński
Hello Kevin, Monday, September 1, 2008, 1:13:24 PM, you wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I'm pretty sure I have done a full fsck, but > not positive, so I will try one tomorrow. The system is in a location > which is unmanned today due to the holiday, and a full fsck kind of needs > either a h

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:35 -0400 > From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:00 PM 9/1/2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > >I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) > >for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is > >subject to chan

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 12:00 PM 9/1/2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other systems might start showing the same probl

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuliński wrote: > > >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed > >before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). > > There ha

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuliński wrote: Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). There have been a number of commits to releng_7 that fixed dump issues for me. A box that used to regularly exhibit hung dump p

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-09-01 Thread Derek Kuliński
Hello Michael, Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:12:54 PM, you wrote: > Any progress here? Does anyone know if this will be fixed in 7.1 latest, > or should we start looking for different backup solution (in this case I > would suggest to remove dump from the source tree - having a backup tool > that do

Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs

2008-08-31 Thread Michael
Any progress here? Does anyone know if this will be fixed in 7.1 latest, or should we start looking for different backup solution (in this case I would suggest to remove dump from the source tree - having a backup tool that doesn't work is worse than having none). After upgrading we basically cann