Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:26 AM, wrote: > Kevin Oberman wrote: > >> Throttling ... is intended for thermal control, not power >> management. The power savings will be negligible ... > > How can it possibly provide any thermal benefit, if it does not > reduce power consumption?  Is there some sig

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Luigi Rizzo (from Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:59:46 +0100): it isn't such a big deal in my opinion. The %efficiency at low levels is misleading if you don't factor out the 5-10W plateau for keeping the PSU alive (fan, ballast, etc.). See for instance My point is: if you (plural) don't see the

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread Luigi Rizzo
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Alexander Leidinger < alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote: > Quoting Luigi Rizzo (from Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:37:28 > +0100): > > I guess that the credit for power saving goes mostly to the CPU >> architects. Powerd only gives second-order savings, and C1 vs. C3 >> is i

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Luigi Rizzo (from Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:37:28 +0100): I guess that the credit for power saving goes mostly to the CPU architects. Powerd only gives second-order savings, and C1 vs. C3 is ineffective, at least for HZ=1000 CPU Power (watts) freqidle16 threads

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread John
> >If you are trying to reduce power consumption, why are you limiting Cx >states to C2 (which save little) and not C3 (which will save a LOT of >power when the CPU is not heavily loaded). On my previous post I forgot to set kern.hz=100. This change does lower idle power from 71w to 62w. With my

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread perryh
Kevin Oberman wrote: > Throttling ... is intended for thermal control, not power > management. The power savings will be negligible ... How can it possibly provide any thermal benefit, if it does not reduce power consumption? Is there some significant heat source, other than power consumed, tha

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-22 Thread John
> >If you are trying to reduce power consumption, why are you limiting Cx >states to C2 (which save little) and not C3 (which will save a LOT of >power when the CPU is not heavily loaded). With my hardware, i5-650, using C3 does not result in lower power consumption versus C2. Both states draw ex

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-21 Thread Luigi Rizzo
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:32:47AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: ... > If you are trying to reduce power consumption, why are you limiting Cx > states to C2 (which save little) and not C3 (which will save a LOT of > power when the CPU is not heavily loaded). > > If it is due to the system hanging, i

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/3/21 Kevin Oberman : > If you are trying to reduce power consumption, why are you limiting Cx > states to C2 (which save little) and not C3 (which will save a LOT of > power when the CPU is not heavily loaded). Jumping up on this but I don't know if that's related to his reasons to not use C3

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-21 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:00 AM, John wrote: > >> >my zfs nas has an Asus p5e motherboard (x38 chip) and an intel q9300 (quad >> >core 2,5Ghz) processor with all the energy save setting enabled in the >> >bios. Today I connected the po

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:00 AM, John wrote: > >my zfs nas has an Asus p5e motherboard (x38 chip) and an intel q9300 (quad > >core 2,5Ghz) processor with all the energy save setting enabled in the > >bios. Today I connected the power cord to a voltcraft energy meter to see > >how much energy the

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-20 Thread John
>my zfs nas has an Asus p5e motherboard (x38 chip) and an intel q9300 (quad >core 2,5Ghz) processor with all the energy save setting enabled in the >bios. Today I connected the power cord to a voltcraft energy meter to see >how much energy the whole system needs in idle mode. > >I found out that wi

Re: powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-20 Thread Brandon Gooch
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: > Hi, > > my zfs nas has an Asus p5e motherboard (x38 chip) and an intel q9300 (quad > core 2,5Ghz) processor with all the energy save setting enabled in the > bios. Today I connected the power cord to a voltcraft energy meter to see > how

powerd and increase in energy need

2012-03-20 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
Hi, my zfs nas has an Asus p5e motherboard (x38 chip) and an intel q9300 (quad core 2,5Ghz) processor with all the energy save setting enabled in the bios. Today I connected the power cord to a voltcraft energy meter to see how much energy the whole system needs in idle mode. I found out that wit