Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-26 Thread pb
Regarding "bringing my data back to where I can control it“: In Germany there is an alternative solution available, called TrutzBox (comidio.de). It´s a commercial product based at PCEngines APU and software is open source. Looks like it has a FreedomBox similar architecture but TrutzBox could

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-25 Thread Bill
For sure. All good reasons to support freedombox! On 06/25/2016 01:13 AM, Bob Mottram wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:29:25PM +0200, Karlheinz Meier wrote: >> Am 23.06.2016 um 23:25 schrieb Bill Kronholm: >> Hi Bill. >> We are not only talking about the US here. >> The germany High Court has r

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-25 Thread Bob Mottram
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:29:25PM +0200, Karlheinz Meier wrote: Am 23.06.2016 um 23:25 schrieb Bill Kronholm: Hi Bill. We are not only talking about the US here. The germany High Court has ruled that there is a right for an untouched integrity of private IT systems: This is targeted against gove

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Karlheinz Meier
Am 23.06.2016 um 23:25 schrieb Bill Kronholm: > Hi all, > Hi Bill. We are not only talking about the US here. The germany High Court has ruled that there is a right for an untouched integrity of private IT systems: This is targeted against government spy software. And we are not only talking about

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Bill Kronholm
Great resource! Thanks! On 06/24/2016 11:20 AM, freedombox-discuss-requ...@lists.alioth.debian.org wrote: > Hosting your own data is still the single best thing you can do protect it > from unwanted disclosure, including federal government. I also recommend > www.digitaldueprocess.org for further

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Bill Kronholm
Thanks to everyone for the responses. I'm glad to hear that the people steering this project are thinking critically about these issues. Yea, it seems likely it would be overturned, but there is a vacant seat in the US Supreme Court right now, so who knows if/when they might take something like th

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Bob Girard
On 06/23/2016 10:42 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Bob Girard] Deterrence based on any kind of economic argument seems a little dubious, at least in the U.S. After all, the FBI/NSA/etc. have never relented in their hacking because of budgetary constraints; they have carte-blanche access to as

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Bob Girard
On 06/24/2016 02:17 AM, Bob Mottram wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:30:51AM +, Nick Daly wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for writing in, it's always good to hear from our insightful lurkers. :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 16:26 Bill K. wrote: > The federal government (in the US, anyways) is tryin

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment

2016-06-24 Thread robert bauer
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM, robert bauer wrote: > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:25:29 -0700 >> From: Bill Kronholm >> To: freedombox-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org >> Subject: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles >> Message-ID:

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-24 Thread Bob Mottram
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:30:51AM +, Nick Daly wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for writing in, it's always good to hear from our insightful lurkers. :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 16:26 Bill K. wrote: > The federal government (in the US, anyways) is trying very hard to make > it legal to break in

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-23 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Bob Girard] > Deterrence based on any kind of economic argument seems a little > dubious, at least in the U.S. After all, the FBI/NSA/etc. have never > relented in their hacking because of budgetary constraints; they have > carte-blanche access to as much taxpayer money as they want. The poin

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-23 Thread Bob Girard
On 06/23/2016 05:30 PM, Nick Daly wrote: Hi Bill, thanks for writing in, it's always good to hear from our insightful lurkers. :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 16:26 Bill K. wrote: The federal government (in the US, anyways) is trying very hard to make it legal to break in to home computers (of domesti

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-23 Thread Nick Daly
Hi Bill, thanks for writing in, it's always good to hear from our insightful lurkers. :) On Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 16:26 Bill K. wrote: > The federal government (in the US, anyways) is trying very hard to make > it legal to break in to home computers (of domestic citizens) without > warrants... how do

[Freedombox-discuss] 4th Amendment Troubles

2016-06-23 Thread Bill Kronholm
Hi all, I've been lurking on this list for a while, mainly because I'm really interested in the freedom box project. It seems to me like a worthwhile cause, and I hope to implement a freedom box soon (once I have the time). It's a great project and much needed! However, with news out of the US fe