[Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-14 Thread Michael Rogers
Hi all, At the Freedombox workshop at CCC there was a discussion about hardware random number generators. One of the possibilities that was suggested was to use the soundcard (or a cheap USB sound device) as a source of randomness. I've just found out that this is mentioned in RFC 1750 [1], so it'

[Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-19 Thread Frank
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: >On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor > wrote: > >> Frank from debian-nas.org wrote me off-list about entropy daemons, >> and agreed i could share his notes publicly. >> >> He wrote: >> >>> haveged runs just fine on both my QNAP

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-14 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/14/2011 10:58 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > I don't have access to a Freedombox prototype, but I was wondering > whether someone who does could do a couple of quick experiments? You could "apt-get install randomsound" on your own machine (or with a USB device you think might be an option), aud

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-14 Thread bertagaz
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:50:06AM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 09/14/2011 10:58 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > > I don't have access to a Freedombox prototype, but I was wondering > > whether someone who does could do a couple of quick experiments? > > You could "apt-get install randomsoun

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-14 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/14/2011 03:17 PM, berta...@ptitcanardnoir.org wrote: > I ran it for some time, but wasn't really comfortable with having my > microphone always listening. Not to mention the larsen you sometime gets > when some app raise the volume. what's a "larsen" ? > I've switched to haveged, which work

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-14 Thread Sandy Harris
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Michael Rogers wrote: > At the Freedombox workshop at CCC there was a discussion about hardware > random number generators. One of the possibilities that was suggested > was to use the soundcard (or a cheap USB sound device) as a source of > randomness. I've just

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-15 Thread Michael Rogers
On 15/09/11 02:36, Sandy Harris wrote: > RFC 1750 has been obsoleted by 4086 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4086 Thanks, I didn't realise. Seems like the section on using existing sound/video input is unchanged. > There's code for an RNG available, based on a sound card with no mic > connected,

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-15 Thread Michael Rogers
On 14/09/11 16:50, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > You could "apt-get install randomsound" on your own machine (or with a > USB device you think might be an option), audit it, and report your > findings :) It doesn't need to be a Freedombox prototype to verify that > the software is doing a reasonabl

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-15 Thread Sandy Harris
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Michael Rogers wrote: >>   http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/randomsound > > Thanks, I've had a quick look at the source and it looks promising. > Unlike Turbid it doesn't try to produce high-quality randomness on its > own, it just contributes bits to the ker

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Rogers
On 16/09/11 02:06, Sandy Harris wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Michael Rogers wrote: > > >>   http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/randomsound > > > > Thanks, I've had a quick look at the source and it looks promising. > > Unlike Turbid it doesn't try to produce high-quality randomnes

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-16 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Hi Folks-- Frank from debian-nas.org wrote me off-list about entropy daemons, and agreed i could share his notes publicly. He wrote: > haveged runs just fine on both my QNAP TS-109 (Marvell Kirkwood) and > Linksys NSLU2 (ixp4xx) ARM computers running Debian Squeeze. > > The amount of entropy fro

Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Entropy from the soundcard

2011-09-18 Thread Sandy Harris
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Frank from debian-nas.org wrote me off-list about entropy daemons, > and agreed i could share his notes publicly. > > He wrote: > >> haveged runs just fine on both my QNAP TS-109 (Marvell Kirkwood) and >> Linksys NSLU2 (ixp4xx) ARM com