Re: [Freedos-devel] overdoing 32bitness of freedos 1.0 - was: djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Tony
I would think that only the utilities that need to use protected mode, a DOS extender, or VCPI would be written using DJGPP or in 32-bit code...at the moment, I can't really think of a utility that would...perhaps maybe a task switcher written with a DOS extender that utilizes VCPI to multitask

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Imre Leber wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Lyrical Nanoha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2006 02:28 PM >> To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp >> >> Isn't there a stdio95.lib or something that's GPL

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Joris van Rantwijk
Hello Lyrical, Lyrical Nanoha wrote: >>> DR-DOS still works on an 8086. >> I do appreciate your helpful suggestions, but at the same time you seem >> to suggest that 8086 compatibility should not be a priority for FreeDOS. > You read the opposite of what I intended to mean (see below). Right, so

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Imre Leber
>-Original Message- >From: Lyrical Nanoha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2006 02:28 PM >To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp > >On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Johnson Lam wrote: > >> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:48:35 +, you wrote: >> >> Hi Im

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Johnson Lam
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:36:21 +0200 (CEST), you wrote: Hi, >Fully ACK! As PM apps tend to be much larger than their 8086 counterpart, >FreeDOS would waste a lot of memory without a benefit. In my humble opinion, the road is clear. Keep the good old DOS traditional "external command" 8086 compatib

Re: [Freedos-devel] overdoing 32bitness of freedos 1.0 - was: djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Eric Auer
Hi all, >> Which first, 8086 or 80386. If the program don't need to mess with >> memory, why not keep it 8086 based? > > Fully ACK! As PM apps tend to be much larger than their 8086 counterpart, > FreeDOS would waste a lot of memory without a benefit. I would like to add that IMHO it is a bad mo

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Салям! 1-Окт-2006 14:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joris van Rantwijk) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: JvR> on 16-bit, just provide it as a target.) Some work has been done on a JvR> 16-bit target for GCC; Without support for "far" and "near" extensions/keywords, this work (almost) us

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Joris van Rantwijk wrote: > Lyrical Nanoha wrote: >> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Joris van Rantwijk wrote: >>> For me, a FreeDOS that does not properly run on a real PC is utterly >>> useless. > >> DR-DOS still works on an 8086. ROM-DOS works on an 80186 (but not an >> 8086). I thin

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Johnson Lam wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:48:35 +, you wrote: > > Hi Imre, > >> After having an extensive private chat with Eric. I was wondering what >> the overall interest of the project would be to move the FreeDOS >> utilities to a DJGPP based platform. > > Eric al

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Joris van Rantwijk
Lyrical Nanoha wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Joris van Rantwijk wrote: >>For me, a FreeDOS that does not properly run on a real PC is utterly >>useless. > DR-DOS still works on an 8086. ROM-DOS works on an 80186 (but not an > 8086). I think even RxDOS will run on an 8086, but its compatibility

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
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Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Robert Riebisch
Johnson Lam wrote: > Which first, 8086 or 80386. If the program don't need to mess with > memory, why not keep it 8086 based? Fully ACK! As PM apps tend to be much larger than their 8086 counterpart, FreeDOS would waste a lot of memory without a benefit. If someone wants a true PM OS, why would

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Johnson Lam
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >DR-DOS still works on an 8086. ROM-DOS works on an 80186 (but not an >8086). I think even RxDOS will run on an 8086, but its compatibility >leaves much to be desired. If FreeDOS were to go 386-only... then someone >might fork it to keep i

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Johnson Lam
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:48:35 +, you wrote: Hi Imre, >After having an extensive private chat with Eric. I was wondering what the >overall interest of the project would be to move the FreeDOS utilities to a >DJGPP based platform. Eric always have long talk, most of them useful but the talk

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Florian Xaver
> Sometimes these concerns are waved away with the argument that pre-386 > systems are not used anymore except by hobbyists. My reply to that is > that FreeDOS itself is not used by anybody except hobbyists. Kicking > out everybody with old hardware and emulators sounds like a bad move. No, please

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Imre Leber
>-Original Message- >From: TG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2006 03:54 AM >To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp > >Hmmm...lets see... > >FreeDOS compiled with DJGPP... > >The OS can boot the same way, the go32 extender can be add

Re: [Freedos-devel] djgpp

2006-10-01 Thread Imre Leber
> My reply to that is >that FreeDOS itself is not used by anybody except hobbyists. If you mean hobyists with a 8086 computer, then I'd have to say: "Have you spent time on planet earth lately?" Everybody, and I mean everybody, is talking about us right now (I have even seen it come up in for