Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again, :-) On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Michael B. Brutman wrote: > > Just my opinion, but here it is ... Everyone's got one ... :-)) > Trying to do a new OS that resembles DOS but has modern features is not > feasible and not going to happen. 1987 called, it wants its OS/2 back. (Oh

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Martin Kelly wrote: > > Don't get me wrong lol. I am running both Linux, BSD and FreeDOS currently, > and FreeDOS is amazingly fast in comparision to Linux. Linux is great but my main gripes are 1). build complexity, 2). too many incompatible distros, 3). litt

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > > I really like the core of Martin's idea, and I think it shows a lot of > initiative and energy. I say go for it, give it a try, and see if it > works. That's how these things start. Sure, he can do whatever he wants. But it's easy to bite o

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Kelly
Hey Rugxulo, > In short, before you start re-inventing DOS and/or Linux, > you should have > a close look at the possibilities with a > NORMAL DOS or a NORMAL Linux. > Don't get me wrong lol. I am running both Linux, BSD and FreeDOS currently, > and FreeDOS is amazingly fast in comparision t

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Jim Hall
I really like the core of Martin's idea, and I think it shows a lot of initiative and energy. I say go for it, give it a try, and see if it works. That's how these things start. Years back, I had a somewhat similar idea, so maybe Martin can use this: Rather than writing any kernel stuff, or redef

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Just my opinion, but here it is ... Trying to do a new OS that resembles DOS but has modern features is not feasible and not going to happen. The biggest problem is DOS compatibility - as soon as you start messing with the memory management, APIs or fixing the "bugs" then existing DOS softwar

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi (again), hope my ramblings aren't too useless, :-) On May 2, 2012 2:31 PM, "Georg Potthast" wrote: > > I agree with Eric. Some additional points: > > You could write a 64bit DOS extender but you would also have to change e.g. > Watcom C or DJGPP to work with a 64bit DOS extender or you canno

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On May 2, 2012 5:43 PM, "Eric Auer" wrote: > > > Hi Rugxulo, > > > Almost definitely doesn't fit on floppy anymore, not since 2.2.0 or > > such. Even 2.4.x branch is basically (officially?) dead now. > > Yes a modern Linux kernel and initrd (boot time ramdisk with basic > tools and drivers lo

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
On May 2, 2012 12:10 PM, "Eric Auer" wrote: > > > Hi Martin, > > > The main aim behind the idea is to make a DOS system that is comparable > > to Linux, Windows or any other of the 100+ OS's out their while still > > using the DOS Kernel at the core, which if my idea is viable would allow > > DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Rugxulo, > Almost definitely doesn't fit on floppy anymore, not since 2.2.0 or > such. Even 2.4.x branch is basically (officially?) dead now. Yes a modern Linux kernel and initrd (boot time ramdisk with basic tools and drivers loaded before the harddisk is accessed further) can easily be 5 an

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > >> http://lennartb.home.xs4all.nl/linux.html >> >> has plenty of pointers for creating your own minimalist Linux bootdisk. >> Personally, I'm still looking for a minimalistic Linux distro that >> contains GCC. Somewhere around 500MB to 1GB ma

[Freedos-devel] minimalist.

2012-05-02 Thread kurt godel
Tried tomsrbt; was able to burn an iso with it(in img form), but it could not run because it was expecting to see older drivers, older than even a 2004 machine, which I tried it on. As for security, I only use it, though the modern linux kernel may hve locked it out for that reason. The older GPM,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > At 11:41 AM 5/2/2012, kurt godel wrote: > >>Now that you mention it, I have been toying with the idea of a >>"linux startup disk" that would be comparable in size to a '98 >>startup disk'; problem is, I am too dumb to figure out how to ta

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Georg Potthast > wrote: >> >> This 52 MB linux distribution contains gcc: >> http://www.ttylinux.net/dloadPC-x86_64.html Oops, forgot to mention, I assume (?) that maybe you're thinking that this would

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux

2012-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Georg Potthast wrote: > > This 52 MB linux distribution contains gcc: > http://www.ttylinux.net/dloadPC-x86_64.html The i686 one is similar, so you should've linked to that one instead, IMO. ;-) Anyways, I'm surprised it's a fairly new gcc (4.4.6). I'll bet

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread François Revol
On 02/05/2012 21:29, Georg Potthast wrote: > I agree with Eric. Some additional points: > > You could write a 64bit DOS extender but you would also have to change e.g. > Watcom C or DJGPP to work with a 64bit DOS extender or you cannot write > application programs in C or C++ using 64bit. Also w

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Bernd, > http://lennartb.home.xs4all.nl/linux.html > > has plenty of pointers for creating your own minimalist Linux bootdisk. > Personally, I'm still looking for a minimalistic Linux distro that > contains GCC. Somewhere around 500MB to 1GB maximum. Rugxulo probably knows one :-) > If you h

[Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux

2012-05-02 Thread Georg Potthast
This 52 MB linux distribution contains gcc: http://www.ttylinux.net/dloadPC-x86_64.html Georg -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has cha

[Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Georg Potthast
I agree with Eric. Some additional points: You could write a 64bit DOS extender but you would also have to change e.g. Watcom C or DJGPP to work with a 64bit DOS extender or you cannot write application programs in C or C++ using 64bit. Also while in 64bit mode you have no 16bit support so the

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 2-5-2012 20:41, kurt godel schreef: > Now that you mention it, I have been toying with the idea of a "linux > startup disk" that would be comparable in size to a '98 startup disk'; > problem is, I am too dumb to figure out how to take a > vmlinuz and boot it up. I assume the vmlinuz has a minima

Re: [Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 11:41 AM 5/2/2012, kurt godel wrote: >Now that you mention it, I have been toying with the idea of a >"linux startup disk" that would be comparable in size to a '98 >startup disk'; problem is, I am too dumb to figure out how to take a >vmlinuz and boot it up. I assume the vmlinuz has a minimal

[Freedos-devel] Minimalist linux.

2012-05-02 Thread kurt godel
Now that you mention it, I have been toying with the idea of a "linux startup disk" that would be comparable in size to a '98 startup disk'; problem is, I am too dumb to figure out how to take a vmlinuz and boot it up. I assume the vmlinuz has a minimal number of built in functions like the proverb

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Martin, > The main aim behind the idea is to make a DOS system that is comparable > to Linux, Windows or any other of the 100+ OS's out their while still > using the DOS Kernel at the core, which if my idea is viable would allow > DOS to be 16, 32 & 64-bit compaitable, seems like a crazy idea

Re: [Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Brown
if you can program, you should start that, and have it hosted somewhere on the web like sourceforge, and all the freedos people would go from there. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com .

[Freedos-devel] DOS Development Idea

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Kelly
Hey, I don't know if this is the right list to post in or not as i am rather new to the maillist. I have a rather large idea probably more a seperate project, with draft ideas already sketched out but i wanted to run via the FreeDOS community to check that it would actually be viable, so comm