Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Maarten Vermeulen
Hi all, Why are we doing so difficult about something that somebody not want to do. It is his thing and we have two options: - using the old one. - search for another one. I don't want to be annoying but it is the case. Maarten Op 9 sep. 2015 06:57 schreef "Steve Nickolas" : > On Tue, 8 Sep 2

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015, Michael Brutman wrote: > I am not denying anybody their freedom. People can choose to use what they > want. I have given people a great set of networking tools that make > FreeDOS and other flavors of DOS more useful. You have ranted like a > little child because this year t

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Michael Brutman
I don't know how to respond to this; I've been stewing about it all day. First, some facts: The 2013-05-23 version consists of at least 71 files and totals around 39913 lines of code. Documentation is not counted in those totals. I started the project in late 2005. The source code was released i

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU
I'm sure within a month or two's time,he will have completed the current version and move on to the next version,henceforth releasing the "Older" so to speak,source code.And if not,it's not like the users can't just download it and install/utilize it themselves. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Jim

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

2015-09-08 Thread JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU
First things first,we should try remaking the installer.We are trying to better the installer,right?Why not create a new UI for the installer and make it more efficient?Perhaps better package handling routines?Just some ideas I am tossing around. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jerome E. Shidel J

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

2015-09-08 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Ok, I’m going to need some feedback on this. Especially things like: What I should strip out of the FDCONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT? What should be included in the FDI Boot Floppy? How does the Installer LOGIC.txt look?

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
Em Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:37:18 -0700 Michael Brutman escreveu: > If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP I regret that > and I encourage you to question your assumption that without source > code it is not "clean" or "good" enough for you. I regret that you've released it as non-fre

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Jim Hall
>> On 9/7/2015 6:37 PM, Michael Brutman wrote: >> >> ... >> I think that whether it is open source or not it is still a great solution >> for DOS networking. If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP >> I regret that and I encourage you to question your assumption that without >> sou

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Matej Horvat
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 17:09:53 +0200, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote: > I regret that you've released it as non-free software. I wonder what > do you want to achieve, besides power over the users of your package. > You are denying them a freedom they deserve to have No one "deserves" anythin

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-08 Thread Eric Auer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bruno, > Em Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:37:18 -0700 Michael Brutman > escreveu: > >> If the lack of source code prevents you from using mTCP I regret >> that and I encourage you to question your assumption that without >> source code it is not "clean" or

[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

2015-09-08 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Ok, I’ve decided that I will probably build the installer, or at least a working prototype that could be used for installer. Sorry, to anyone who may have been considering doing it. But, as Mercury Thirteen said: "That would probably be the most efficient solution, yes. :)” S

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

2015-09-08 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. wrote: > > > Ok, this is my thought process on the logic of the Installer batch. > (That demo installer I shared does stages 2, 3 and 4) Oops, I meant the demo installer batch does Stages 2 and 3. ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

2015-09-08 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.
Ok, this is my thought process on the logic of the Installer batch. (That demo installer I shared does stages 2, 3 and 4) -- STAGE 1: This will enable auto setup if FD1.2

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer

2015-09-08 Thread Mateusz Viste
Well, just try actually installing your packages on a FreeDOS system... That's the whole point. Then you will see what happens :) Every single package must be tested before being published - testing means installing on a real system, verifying that the software works, that files are organized a